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13 Feb 2021, 2:49 pm

I don't feel like I fit in anywhere. I don't expect it will ever happen. It just hasn't been a consideration for a long time already. I often feel like I'm shouting in a soundproof booth, but that's nothing out of the ordinary. As long as I find the stuff around interesting or relevant enough to me, and the people around are not hostile toward me, it's okay.

I don't expect to make friends, and to be honest I'm not even sure I would have place for another one. I have two who I message occasionally (both also have ADHD, which seems to be a practical requirement for "relatedness", though definitely not enough on its own). I think two is about as many as I can manage to maintain. Maybe three.


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13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

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I feel that in you...that you don't have anyone to talk to about your research. I read at least one of your papers or perhaps it was an article recognizing your contributions. I was impressed. You are doing things that are very interesting, but I can barely understand the how and the mechanics of it all, and I am reasonably intelligent.

I think you fit in with the other autists here, but are still feeling the lack of connection with someone who really understands you and what you do. Just my opinion. Excuse me if I am off base here. I don't mean to offend.

Sometimes I feel a similar lack, probably not as intense as yours, in my interest in plants and growing things. I haven't found anyone anywhere who swoons over a tiny blue flower, or even the heaven sent perfume of Carolina jessamine.


The stuff about "mechanics" was my vocation, which seldom is topical here. When I dug into the reasons my career didn't take off, very few were about technical comprehension. What I'm finding is that human relations are confusing because we are hard-wired for two different moral codes. In civilization, it is increasingly less obvious which one should apply. When we ask ourselves if something "feels right," we usually choose to ask the side that will give us an advantage in negotiations, not the one that fits the spirit of the laws regulating human behaviour. The evidence is everywhere, once I learned to see it. I think that if more people used this perception, we could all get along much better, except for the people who have learned to use us like puppets by pulling those strings.


Intricate observations regard human relations , I wish I could keep that in the forefront of my mind in dealing with day to day issues !


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13 Feb 2021, 4:00 pm

Jakki wrote:
Intricate observations regard human relations , I wish I could keep that in the forefront of my mind in dealing with day to day issues !


There's nothing very intricate involved - just recognizing which value system is being applied from a choice of two. A pet is treated like a family member, but most animals are killed without remorse, as belonging to the commons. Still, in the heat of daily moments, tactics are more useful. I could only invoke explanations like that if the other party was already familiar with the idea of two moral codes.



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13 Feb 2021, 4:47 pm

This reeks of pessimism,, I think most people interact without knowledge of the 2 systems being employed .
Many people seem to value their owns pets above human life , sadly enough for one or the other of the two humans interacting . Pointedly posing the question , whether either or of the parties in employing the systems being used .
(What you have written bears merit although ) Just my humble opinion. You seem to be an exception .
Or have learned some extraordinary concepts but , yet this is merely my opinion. Pardon my direct opinion.


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13 Feb 2021, 4:53 pm

A bit.

But I will say this place is better than Reddit.


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13 Feb 2021, 5:06 pm

CollegeGirlAnon wrote:
A bit.

But I will say this place is better than Reddit.

True but the people interacting have better 1 st hand knowledge on these topics , I think cause this is a pretty exclusive site for aspies , , I think ? ???? And generally better informed on certain topics , I feel !


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13 Feb 2021, 5:30 pm

Personally, I must admit that one challenge here on WP is becoming disorientated when discussion threads get too long and/or too cumbersome in scope to follow and understand.

As I've mentioned, I've felt awkward in just about any type of environments - hence challenges in establishing that niche.

I feel it's important to become increasingly proactive in addressing HFA related concerns. I've felt that posting here on WP is like a "balancing act of sorts. For example, WP is a very important resource for HFA - yet, after awhile, posting to WP begins to feel like some tiring exercise of semantic gymnastics a.k.a. spinning our wheels.

In becoming proactive regarding friendships and (HFA), I wanted to add that "speed bump" of sorts to this active discussion thread- WP LINK 'Who "Broke The Ice" In Encouraging Friendships?'
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=394480



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13 Feb 2021, 5:47 pm

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Personally, I must admit that one challenge here on WP is becoming disorientated when discussion threads get too long and/or too cumbersome in scope to follow and understand.

As I've mentioned, I've felt awkward in just about any type of environments - hence challenges in establishing that niche.

I feel it's important to become increasingly proactive in addressing HFA related concerns. I've felt that posting here on WP is like a "balancing act of sorts. For example, WP is a very important resource for HFA - yet, after awhile, posting to WP begins to feel like some tiring exercise of semantic gymnastics a.k.a. spinning our wheels.

In becoming proactive regarding friendships and (HFA), I wanted to add that "speed bump" of sorts to this active discussion thread- WP LINK 'Who "Broke The Ice" In Encouraging Friendships?'
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=394480

The purpose of enlightened discussion or I would hope for finding commonality in friendships and discussion..
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13 Feb 2021, 5:51 pm

Did not mean to Rangel any feathers here on WP apologies as appropriate .


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13 Feb 2021, 5:56 pm

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What I'm finding is that human relations are confusing because we are hard-wired for two different moral codes. In civilization, it is increasingly less obvious which one should apply. When we ask ourselves if something "feels right," we usually choose to ask the side that will give us an advantage in negotiations, not the one that fits the spirit of the laws regulating human behaviour. The evidence is everywhere, once I learned to see it. I think that if more people used this perception, we could all get along much better, except for the people who have learned to use us like puppets by pulling those strings.


Human behavior is a different kettle of fish. Looking back, I can see that I never would have made it as an academic regardless of external factors, not that I couldn't play the game...I didn't even recognize there WAS a game. :oops:

I was reminded recently of a job that I applied to, and was invited to interview for, but I didn't go (plane ticket too expensive.) I would have loved that job. But, looking back, I probably could not have done that job. :(

Back to human behavior, I am not sure that I see only two moral codes. I see a muddled mass of moral conflicts and even a total lack of moral code by most people. I've always had a moral code. I feel like I was born with it, but it is probably just my aspie wiring.

I would miss you if you decided to leave here, even if you don't feel like you fit in.

Back to the OP, we are still discussing fitting in. There are so many ways autists don't fit into NT culture and morals, we are very familiar with the sense of not belonging.


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13 Feb 2021, 6:38 pm

Not a 100 sure, tbh. Maybe. :P



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13 Feb 2021, 8:04 pm

I call it "trying to decide whether I'm doing anything productive here" rather than "finding my place." I've left WP without comment several times, but I thought maybe this thread in which people have commented that white privilege is bs was the last straw:

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=387968

Everywhere I go online, I have to deal with ignorance of racism and hostility or dumb criticism directed towards anti-racist discourse (people saying they don't have or haven't benefited from white privilege just because they've had problems in their lives is an example of what's dumb. And I don't care whether people are hurt that I call their comments dumb).

To have to face that on WP, too, along with living with actual racism, is about the limit of what I'll put up with. It's like a kind of gaslighting, to have people make a description of racism all about their own unrelated life problems or how it supposedly "divides" people to mention that racially privileged people are racially privileged.

I don't need the frustration of trying to have conversations with people like this or reading their stupid comments. Whether it's ignorance or hostility, I never know when one of those is going to spill over into some other conversation.

But today I noticed that one of those people supposedly left WP and other people in the thread addressed the dumb comments, so...I don't know. There is other crap on WP. I'd rather not waste my time here. When people are different enough, it's pointless to interact with them. There are pros and cons to being on WP, but I've kind of reached the point of being literally disgusted with even exposing myself to some of what's on here.



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13 Feb 2021, 11:16 pm

Dear_one wrote:
I'm awake now because I'm worried about an upcoming meeting where I don't fit in, but for new reasons. I don't fit here, either, nor anywhere else I've tried.


Oh yes, been there!

I've felt caught in "a void of sorts" so to speak in both NT, and Autism Spectrum orientated environments, and of course sometimes here on WP.



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13 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm

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I would miss you if you decided to leave here, even if you don't feel like you fit in.


I was just reporting, not thinking of bolting. If I ever do find a fit, though, I'll fade from here.



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14 Feb 2021, 3:30 am

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I don't mean to be intentionally contrary, however, i do not know if you are aware that the newer definition of Autism does not differentiate people into low and high functioning.

Instead, the newer model basically puts us all under the same umbrella, with each person individually having problems in various of the areas. The symptoms no longer have anything to do with IQ.

Actually, the newer model has three levels of "severity," and an ASD diagnosis is also supposed to be specified as being "With or without accompanying intellectual impairment" and "With or without accompanying language impairment."

The DSM 5 allows for all possible combinations of the three severity levels (based on autistic traits per se) and the presence or absence of each of the two possible accompanying impairments. Thus the DSM 5 allows for a total of 3 x 2 x 2 = 12 possible categories of ASD.


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14 Feb 2021, 4:27 am

Dear_one wrote:
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I feel that in you...that you don't have anyone to talk to about your research. I read at least one of your papers or perhaps it was an article recognizing your contributions. I was impressed. You are doing things that are very interesting, but I can barely understand the how and the mechanics of it all, and I am reasonably intelligent.

I think you fit in with the other autists here, but are still feeling the lack of connection with someone who really understands you and what you do. Just my opinion. Excuse me if I am off base here. I don't mean to offend.

Sometimes I feel a similar lack, probably not as intense as yours, in my interest in plants and growing things. I haven't found anyone anywhere who swoons over a tiny blue flower, or even the heaven sent perfume of Carolina jessamine.


The stuff about "mechanics" was my vocation, which seldom is topical here. When I dug into the reasons my career didn't take off, very few were about technical comprehension. What I'm finding is that human relations are confusing because we are hard-wired for two different moral codes. In civilization, it is increasingly less obvious which one should apply. When we ask ourselves if something "feels right," we usually choose to ask the side that will give us an advantage in negotiations, not the one that fits the spirit of the laws regulating human behaviour. The evidence is everywhere, once I learned to see it. I think that if more people used this perception, we could all get along much better, except for the people who have learned to use us like puppets by pulling those strings.


I relate to this strongly, I've observed this for a long time, it started in politics (I think) and are now taking hold everywhere. So much me,me,me and to little me&you.

What do you research, do you have any handouts of it?