What would and Autistic Country be like?

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14 Feb 2022, 5:26 am

Nades wrote:
Being a spectrum, they will also never see eye to eye.


Neither do non-autistic people, though. Politics is more about arguing than listening, anyway. It doesn't attract people who want to understand, but are ready to give answers.



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16 Feb 2022, 12:58 pm

Oh I somehow imagine it would be messy and disorganized. Nobody can manage to keep it clean and tidy because of executive function issues. :D Of course we would all figure out ways to get to where we need to go around the piles of junk. There would be all sorts of clubs and cafes for people with odd interests. Atheism will be the state religion. Communal living and co-op housing will be common.

We would need to hire all sorts of NT contractors from outside the country to keep things running. :)


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19 Feb 2022, 8:03 am

You just have to match 'interest' to 'job'. ?

languages - language jobs
trains - I know of aspies that would be great at this?

interest = job

An interest in?

phones
trains
cars
military
aeroplanes

interests come in various forms



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19 Feb 2022, 8:21 am

Technic1 wrote:
You just have to match 'interest' to 'job'. ?

Don't forget aptitude, and if you have none, you'll have to trust your test scores. Every group seems to include some people with Dunning-Kruger syndrome who only think they belong there. They don't notice that what they say gets ignored, because they don't understand the conversation anyway.
Also, jobs usually require a variety of talents, including plenty of people skills.



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19 Feb 2022, 8:54 am

(I'm new, I hope you don't mind me jumping in)

If I look at my experience w/ autistic groups in comparison to NT groups, I'd say the social dynamics wouldn't be much different. When autists are the majority of the numbers, they tend to have most of the same roles as the NT groups, such as leaders, followers, gate-keepers, bullies, victims, intellectuals, but all w/ a more autistic spin. :)

But the choices, I think our world would be much "deeper" & more thought out. Could even be more chaotic because there would be so many well-thought out opinions that weren't so easily dismissed.

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26 Feb 2022, 2:40 pm

Imo the vast majority of scenarios where there is a paradigm shift of how humans perceive, think, and behave at a fundamental level would result in chaos and disorder if it's implanted into the current societal and cultural structure of the world. It could reasonable to suppose that a different combination of factors could line up in a way where an autistic paradigm of human psychology and behavior would be equally or more stable than an NT one, I do not think that it would be the case for how things are now, or really even how things ever were.

For an analogy, its like trying to solve a rubics cube. A twist that seems to get certain segments aligned will cause disorder to other parts of the cube. It is only a large combination of movements that will negate the consequences of the initial desired move.

However, autistic people are very valuable in moderation, like a spice. Small ripples in the system can disproportionately add to society compared to its consequences, which will take fewer, simpler, and less radical steps to compensate for. It still does have consequences, it's not going to be trivial working towards accommodations for autistic people, but its unlike a country with only autistic people where we would have to bend reality as we know it (exaggeration) in order to make things function smoothly.



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26 Feb 2022, 3:22 pm

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As a proud autistic I think it would either work perfectly largely because a good amount if not most of autistic people can live on their own. Disclaimer: As much as I hate functioning labels I am going to have to use them a couple times.

It could also be an utter nightmare to and yes I am very much aware that the majority of autistic females go undiagnosed but however if this hypothetical autistic country has the same gender imbalance that autism does in the real world it would pretty much be screwed demographically for a very long time. The reasons why colonial Canada especially in New France and Ruperts Land had such sparse populations was largely because the amount of men far exceeded the amount of women with there being 5 men for every woman. It also depends on what type of autism and if the autistics in this nation have massive developmental delays and they made up the entire population the nation would be screwed.

If there were a couple of alterations such as having an even autistic male to autistic female ratio by being able to diagnose autism more effectively and it would also help to find a way to get rid developmental delays in more severely affected people to make them higher functioning (autism or not developmental delays are the worst). I think an autistic country could work out perfectly if were defining autism as Aspergers/High Functioning and this is not to say that we have it easier because we just like everyone else with or without autism can have it hard. Having autistic special interests greatly expanded could ultimately do wonders for most societies and this hypothetical autistic country would most definitely be one of them.

But there's a massive incel population so it works out pretty much the same.

We would have to have our homes next to the workplace, if not the same building. I would go to work as I would go to the restroom. My family working the same building, maybe owning it.

Wed have packed food like delicious toothpaste that offers tons of flavors and all nutrients necessary. Like space food. Easy to produce.

We would have to claim cuddle toys at the workplace and soothing devices. No tags on clothes and underwear is a spacesuit with vacuum inside, a medium not friendly for bacteria and keeping moisture levels monitored.

There would be noise canceling speakers everywhere, dim light or available gear for light preference, or adjustable lamps for each person. Overwhelm rooms with privacy and relaxation activities.

Tags on each person about what tasks they have precisely each day so there is no misunderstanding.

Respect space rules, not going too close to one another or talking before messaging.


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26 Feb 2022, 4:29 pm

Babies might evolve into not having such loud screams, although this might take a few thousand years.


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26 Feb 2022, 4:35 pm

eventually there would be no need to speak



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26 Feb 2022, 4:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Nades wrote:
. . . Basically it'll be a complete disaster.
But with a couple alterations such as having an even male to female population and a way to get rid of developmental delays I think it could be a great power.
A "great power" in what way? . . .
. . . A great power in any way you want to define it. . .
In the context of this thread's topic . . .

craptastic (adj): (1) spectacular failure; (2) ineffective in a grand way; (3) pretentiously awful.


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26 Feb 2022, 4:44 pm

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Babies might evolve into not having such loud screams, although this might take a few thousand years.

Lmao. Speech starting age would be pushed to the 20s


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26 Feb 2022, 4:48 pm

The_Znof wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Nades wrote:
. . . Basically it'll be a complete disaster.
But with a couple alterations such as having an even male to female population and a way to get rid of developmental delays I think it could be a great power.
A "great power" in what way? . . .
. . . A great power in any way you want to define it. . .
In the context of this thread's topic . . .

craptastic (adj): (1) spectacular failure; (2) ineffective in a grand way; (3) pretentiously awful.


Ill Take Ya To Mars And Milk You Like A Dog! :jester:

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This kind of obscenity would become the country's Anthem song.

All, salute! Or should I say all hands on plushies!


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26 Feb 2022, 4:57 pm

Lets make it like Canada in South Park for one day a year! :jester:

What did they find? Speaking without a mask indoors is by far the easiest way to spread the virus, the researchers found. This is because of the type of respiratory droplets produced in speech - those of an intermediate size that stay suspended in the air for several minutes.

f**k and no motor skills me cant talk with my mouth coming off my noze. i need and app or some Patzys.

skull to text app please. :jester:



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25 Apr 2022, 9:58 am

Dylanperr wrote:
Nades wrote:
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What would and Autistic Country be like?
Quiet, nonproductive, and isolationist.


I knew someone would say that lol..

Same with me too. It'll be a nation with a very low GDP, probably little in the way of industry and heavy machinery, little in the way of transport and a unsustainably low birth rate combined with a very high number of people on welfare. Of the highly gifted that do exist, they will be under immense pressure effectively babysitting a vast amount of the population.

It will also immediately be invaded by Russia or China. The countries only defence will be not answering the front door when soldiers ring the doorbells hoping they'll go away.

Even if it isn't somehow invaded, there will be a civil war and it'll be a very short and brutal one between bed wetters who cry when watching Bambi and the ones with some degree of courage who get tired of living for reasons already mentioned. A true seal clubbing one way or another.


Basically it'll be a complete disaster.

But with a couple alterations such as having an even male to female population and a way to get rid of developmental delays in the more severely affected parts of autism as well as comorbidities I think it could be a great power with a lot of industry and transport.


Well, premising that autism and society are almost a contradiction....
I fully agree. As I stated also in a post on Autistic Supremacy, it would be an endeavour requiring a lot of genetic engineering to fend off the most adverse symptoms often associated with the condition. The unbalanced male to female ratio might be indeed due to diagnostic criteria. I think autism is expressed in a behaviorally and cognitive different pattern in females. I think autism's expression is largely affected by sex. Rather than merely based on the diagnosis (are you autie? Then go to Autie Town), a communitiy needs basically founding values, a set of core tenets which will help development, and as a community it could be autism-based but not autism-exclusive. In other word, what self-governing auties wants to achieve? Which goals they want to pursue? How will they relate to other communities? Which will be then inclusion and exclusion criteria for being a respected member of the community (clearly just being autistic does not mean it's a meaningful criteria)? I think that being a productive autistic person in a productive autistic community would require training of the individual involved. I also think there's quite an unexpressed potential in autistic community. High unemployement rate reflects problem is social acceptance rather than fully uncapability for work of any kind. Most jobs require high-rates of social interaction, firstly to find a job for example, and to keep it. Being NT social skills the weak point of autism (almost by definition) it's obvious that autistic people score very low in employment rate. As per male/female ratio it will largely depend on how much a Autistic-rule society would be attractive for a plethora of minorietes. I think that more people, and more women, will find confortable the autistic-sized community as long as they discover to have the disorder in a undiagnosed or sub-clinical feature. I think that an autistic society might be quite industrious, strive to develop unique skills that could attract requests for cooperation from outside community (especially in the technological and scientific fields). But what is certain is that any kind of job should be re-thinked to be handled by an autistic people (for example, autistic agriculture or autistic marketing).


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25 Apr 2022, 10:20 am

It would have splendor, and grandeur, beyond that of any civilization preceding it!

Just kidding.



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25 Apr 2022, 10:24 am

naturalplastic wrote:
It would have splendor, and grandeur, beyond that of any civilization preceding it!

Just kidding.


Sure, for its first and sole 10-second life, it would be the most amazing thing in the universe :D


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