What is everyone's problem with the ASD Level System?
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if I have one of these things im completely functional.
Ha, an Executive Function Assistant. I need one of those. I want to be the idea person with resources who/to implement. On a day to day basis "Get the kids ready and have them to the vehicle in 6 min" Done! Find and fill out the forms for... Done! Brush my teeth... Done?
In fact, one of my dreams would be to have our own Spectrum organizations raising our own funds, vetting our volunteers, providing the support people really want.
Easier said than done!
As an analogy, there is the veterans’ organization here in the U.S. called Wounded Warrior, in which their Board of Directors fired both the number one person and number two person due to lavish spending. This was back in the Spring of 2016, so now approaching six years ago. And I really hope the new people are turning things around.
The lesson— keep the books open and public, and really limit the organization’s expenses for entertainment.
Also— try to acknowledge mistakes sooner rather than later. But don’t over-apologize for that just gums up the works and makes the whole process more difficult.
And— keep moving forward.
Easier said than done!
It would be nice to see prominent autistic people give back but I think they are too driven focused on their own special interests to donate their time/money to these types of causes.
People like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Gerry Seinfled (at least the last two) have in recent times acknowledged they may be on the spectrum but they sure as heck aren't interested in the autistic community. Neither are Hollywood celebrities in the past who have "come out".
Third the people who are in most need of support are the least likely to get any from the higher functioning community.
When those in the Level 1 category talk about support they mean supporting other level 1s, possibly level 2s.
I also think those who mask well enough to not get diagnosed probably don't want to be included (and rightly so).
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My psychiatrist said he didn’t see autism in me at all, not even level 1. He didn’t mention he’s not changing the diagnosis whether I still have autism or not. Today I was removed from regular therapy and put in “as needed” sessions so I’m beginning to think maybe they’re right about me being misdiagnosed with autism. But I see all the symptoms in myself so they probably just want to tell me I don’t appear autistic and drop the special care I been getting for autism so they can target only my schizoaffective disorder and bipolar. I think I‘ve always been level 1 but they don’t see it often because I only see my psychiatrist once every 6-8 weeks and if anything I’m moving down to a level 2 because I’m getting less help with it. I’d love to still be identified with autism just for the support. I was happy when I got that special treatment.
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That's really sad. I'm sorry that's happening for you.
Have you ever worked with a Neuropsychologist instead of a Psychiatrist?
Autism isn't a mental illness, and usually Psychiatrists only diagnose / treat mental illness. Sometimes ADHD.
Perhaps you could consider arranging an ASD assessment with a Neuropsychologist or a Clinical Psychologist who has experience with Autism identification?
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I wish I could learn that I was misdiagnosed with autism. But it's hard to escape it because the spectrum is so, so broad that basically everyone's going to be on it soon. Might as well put all shy/introverted NTs on it, and NTs with anxiety or depression, etc. The spectrum is getting wider and wider each year. Once upon a time autism was just as where it got its name from; self-indulgence, uncommunicative, low-functioning, etc. Now it's everybody and everything. It's not fair. I want out of this f*****g spectrum.
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Define "Requiring support" means.
I understand it is a form of required accommodation and access to service.
However, it doesn't say much if and how the condition is manageable, can be improved upon and can potentially attain independence.
If levels are actually about accomodations, it implies management.
Ranging from lifestyle changes, to uses of assistive technology, to meds and therapy.
Regardless of one's level of independence or dependence.
If levels are actually just functioning levels, it implies attained levels of dependence or independence.
Usually one is either is or isn't.
Can this person take responsibility in all or at least in crucial aspects of daily living without assistance, or not?
It won't matter if the person with conditions doesn't need a change of lifestyle, or is taking several hours worth of therapy, multiple meds and uses assistive extensive equipments everyday.
So which of the two actually does define closer the statement "Requiring Support"?
Does "Requiring Substantial Support" mean?
An intellectually disabled person, may or may not be physically disabled, who likely won't improve to perform any basic daily living independently no matter the treatment received, and cannot be left alone but otherwise very healthy, very well behaved and best living happily at some safe home without needing trips to the doctors?
Not functioning well but very manageable and very basic on daily maintenance.
Or a still working and still responsible disabled person who uses several technologies, goes through several systems to navigate independently, takes several meds per day and has several doctor appointments per week to keep up their shape?
Functioning but high upkeep on management and maintenance.
Yeah, seems like two extremes.
Not that I have an actual problem -- because it's just irrelevant in my circumstances.
But I'm curious...
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Nearly every disorder has different levels and requires different support, it's just life. You have to tick certain boxes to get support with anything, not just autism. It's just the way the cookie crumbles in this society.
It does my head in when people on the spectrum say there is no such thing as functioning levels. I think high-functioning Aspies don't want to admit that they're how they are, that they want to be more severely affected for some reason. I'm not saying they don't deserve any support, but you still can't deny the fact that some Aspies have more capabilities than other Aspies (Aspies=all people on the spectrum).
And it's not always down to intelligence. It's no good using the "my friend is non-verbal and cannot live independently but she can complete Rubiks cubes and other complicated puzzles" argument, because that person is still around the low-functioning end of the spectrum. Functioning levels mean independence, masking, social awareness, communication skills, etc. Everyone on the spectrum has their own set of skills and functioning abilities and difficulties but it's more down to how each individual's severity of symptoms can be grouped together to form an average of how the person functions daily. That's where the functioning level appears. It may not fit neatly like a puzzle piece but it's just all about the mode (as in the mathematical term).
Ah, my post sounds unusually intelligent for me.
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It does my head in when people on the spectrum say there is no such thing as functioning levels. I think high-functioning Aspies don't want to admit that they're how they are, that they want to be more severely affected for some reason. I'm not saying they don't deserve any support, but you still can't deny the fact that some Aspies have more capabilities than other Aspies (Aspies=all people on the spectrum).
And it's not always down to intelligence. It's no good using the "my friend is non-verbal and cannot live independently but she can complete Rubiks cubes and other complicated puzzles" argument, because that person is still around the low-functioning end of the spectrum. Functioning levels mean independence, masking, social awareness, communication skills, etc. Everyone on the spectrum has their own set of skills and functioning abilities and difficulties but it's more down to how each individual's severity of symptoms can be grouped together to form an average of how the person functions daily. That's where the functioning level appears. It may not fit neatly like a puzzle piece but it's just all about the mode (as in the mathematical term).
Ah, my post sounds unusually intelligent for me.
Yes, it is not always down to intelligence.
Or 'severity'. Or certain abilities and traits.
Or even achievements and milestones.
So I'm really asking what "Requiring Support" levels means and which of these is actually more based on:
Management and maintenance required to function as best possible, maintain a quality of life, or even survive?
Or the classic functioning levels of what a person can and cannot do based on severity of traits, regardless of how manageable and what maintenance required or received?
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I think we need start thinking about standing in solidarity with our non-verbal sisters and brothers, as always simply to the best of our abilities.
We certainly have a head start knowing what sensory issues are all about.
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It could primarily be bureaucratic.
As one example, I’m 59-years-old and I grew up thinking autism was both rare and meant not talking at all. I mean, even doctors well-trained in other areas, may hold to some of these stereotypes about autism.
To me, a good description of the spectrum includes:
* sensory issues
* executive processing issues
* intense interests (which can migrate over time)
* patchy social skills
And maybe a few other traits. (and with these few others, it’s probably the case that autism means 4 out of 6 major traits, or something similar to this)
I think we need start thinking about standing in solidarity with our non-verbal sisters and brothers, as always simply to the best of our abilities.
We certainly have a head start knowing what sensory issues are all about.
That would be ideal, unfortunately I've seen no evidence of it for the last 15 years.
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From the U.S. HHS Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC):
"DSM-5 Diagnostic Criteria"
Table 2 describes the DSM-5 criteria for ASD severity level.
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I finally knew why people were strange.
We certainly have a head start knowing what sensory issues are all about.
I already try to "stand in solidarity" with people who are "lower functioning" than me, though when the parents of those people demonize "higher functioning" autistics and are more occupied with that than actually working with the "higher functioning" people it's frustrating, and makes me reluctant to show my support since I know it'll just be met with questioning and dismissal. It's a pity that people can't just work together instead of constantly shooting each other in the foot.
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