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TwilightPrincess
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06 Aug 2022, 9:57 am

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There was a time in my life (maybe about 20 years ago) where I aloud this type of thing to take over my life as well.

It was really bad if I'm honest. I can remember getting to the front door to go out and having to go back in and get changed. This could happen 3 or 4 times before I would eventually get out. I might have only been gowto the local shop as well. I called it agoraphobia but it probably wasn't. It was more like ocd because it was a case of me having to look absolutely perfect or else people might laugh at me and poi t and stare.

I just couldn't go on like that because I had to live my life so I just stopped looking in the mirror before I went out. I stopped looking in mirrors and shop windows at myself when I was out (and I'm still like that). I stopped allowing myself to overthink what people might be looking at and what they might be thinking when they looked in my direction and I stopped worrying about what people might be laughing at.

I'm not saying that the problem has gone away but by developing a thicker skin it has got easier.


I can relate to a lot of this.

I also avoid looking at myself in mirrors and windows. I wonder if it’s related to having a trauma history.



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06 Aug 2022, 10:00 am

I worry less about what people think than I used to. When people are laughing at or making fun of someone, it says a lot more about them than their target. I almost feel embarrassed for them.



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06 Aug 2022, 10:09 am

I so wish I had the skill of the verbal come-back to any ****** who try to put me down. I just don't have that kind of verbal quick wit most of the time though.

One thing I do have in my armoury though is a kind of glare which I can sometimes pull out of the bag and can use it to make people feel justly uncomfortable and embarrassed for having attempted to put me down and mock me for being different.

A look can speak a thousand words and people can read into it as they will and it can soon put a stop to other people's BS.



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06 Aug 2022, 10:16 am

Yes. Some people seem to physically shrink when the fall prey to "the look".


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06 Aug 2022, 10:28 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
I also avoid looking at myself in mirrors and windows. I wonder if it’s related to having a trauma history.


Could be. I also worry that if I see something I'm not keen on and I'm miles away from home then I'll be self conscious about it all day.


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06 Aug 2022, 2:47 pm

I think this all stems back from when I was at high school. I was mostly bullied on my walk home from school by kids that I didn't know and who didn't acknowledge me in school. Picking on kids walking to or from school was easier for them because they got away with it more. I didn't have any friends to walk home with so bullies loved targeting me.

It's why I feel more socially anxious when on my own around strangers in the street now. When I was in high school I had less self-awareness so I probably looked like a dork or something. Now at 32 years old I have developed more self-awareness skills and I know how to appear normal and not walk around with hunched shoulders looking weak or whatever.

I don't look that weird, otherwise parents wouldn't let their kids sit or run around near me. But usually parents do plonk their toddlers in the seat next to me and then they look all offended when I give them a disgruntled look.

I've even had a mother ask me if I could watch her baby in the pram while she went to the bathroom, and I didn't know her at all. I live in a city with a high crime rate so it's probably quite complimentary to be trusted by a stranger to watch your baby. Despite the fact that I don't like babies I don't know, I am still to be trusted around babies.
I definitely know that I don't look like a threat.


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06 Aug 2022, 3:07 pm

Yesterday when I was in the town it was so busy because it's now the school holidays and I had to stop a panic attack from coming on. I had an important appointment that I had to attend, so I couldn't avoid the crowds.
There were hoards of people coming towards me and I felt all their staring eyes fixated on me like I was a freaky glowing beacon. I just stared straight ahead and tried thinking about other things, but the stares burnt holes in my face.
I tried to calm my nerves by focusing on my breathing, but suddenly this baby from a stroller started kicking and screaming near me and it totally distracted me from my calming technique and made me feel panicky inside. I hated the baby but part of me felt envious of it too because babies are allowed to express themselves however they like, whenever they like, wherever they like, but I have to be calm, cool and normal, even though I wanted to scream.
I felt my chest tightening and I was glad when I arrived at the appointment. I forgot all about my panic when I was talking to the receptionist.

I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels social anxiety in crowds, but expressing it the "appropriate" way (as in just having a slight bewildered look on my face) should get less stares than expressing it the autistic way (like hand-flapping or melting down).

Anyway, it often says here that NTs like people to show expression and emotion. But in my experience, people seem happier when you're just a clone of everyone else with a blank look and expressing no tenseness or fear or shyness in your body language.


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06 Aug 2022, 3:17 pm

I wonder why it is that when you're in town walking one way it always seems like the rest of the world are walking towards you.


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06 Aug 2022, 3:23 pm

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I wonder why it is that when you're in town walking one way it always seems like the rest of the world are walking towards you.


Just way too many people that makes it seem that way.

Sometimes I wonder how the high street shops are closing when there are so many people out doing so much shopping (most of the people all had shopping bags).


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06 Aug 2022, 3:27 pm

I hand-flap.
I haven't noticed anyone having any negative reaction to it.
And if they did I don't think I'd care because if I'm handflapping I'm usually very happy or excited.
The only comment I've had is that I'm 'cute'.
Maybe it depends on your level of cuteness, what's accepted. :mrgreen:


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06 Aug 2022, 3:39 pm

That little dance you have to do when someone's walking towards you and you're both trying to get out of each others way makes me laugh.

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06 Aug 2022, 3:46 pm

Raleigh wrote:
I hand-flap.
I haven't noticed anyone having any negative reaction to it.
And if they did I don't think I'd care because if I'm handflapping I'm usually very happy or excited.
The only comment I've had is that I'm 'cute'.
Maybe it depends on your level of cuteness, what's accepted. :mrgreen:


Yeah people do all kinds of things these days when they're out and about. Half of the time you don't know whether someone's talking to themselves or if they're on their phones. People sing out loud to themselves.

I was in the supermarket once talking out loud to myself and there was a woman standing next to me doing exactly the same thing. All of a sudden we became aware of each other and started laughing about it and had quite a nice conversation with each other.


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06 Aug 2022, 6:22 pm

Yes it's difficult to know when someone is having loud conversations with themselves or if they're talking in an ear phone thing. Usually when I'm talking on my phone other people swing round and stare at me like it's the 1960s and they've never seen a person talking on a mobile phone before.

I usually get extreme reactions whenever I do something normal. :roll:


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07 Aug 2022, 1:59 am

Yeah I know what you mean. I alternate between an android phone and an old Nokia 7230 slide phone. I love my little phone but it can generate quite a lot of interest from people when I'm sat in the pub texting away on it.

You'd probably benefit from doing amateur dramatics or something like that where you are actually on show. It could desensitise you.


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