How do we know where ASD ends and comorbids begin?

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22 May 2023, 3:08 pm

I’ve not been diagnosed with it, and I had a thorough neuropsychological evaluation.

My symptoms (obsessive interests and stimming) are due to autism.



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22 May 2023, 3:17 pm

^ You seem cross, or are my empath skills out of whack (i.e you are not cross)


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22 May 2023, 3:20 pm

Why would I be cross?



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22 May 2023, 3:24 pm

I dunno, I could sense a vibe in your writing so was just checking, I'll turn my sensitivity dial down a few notches.


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22 May 2023, 3:27 pm

Knit one, Purl two Ferr. :P

I have the first section of OCD stuff but it’s all in relation to trauma so I’d consider it PTSD rather than OCD. It seems PTSD isn’t one of the outcomes for anyone.


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22 May 2023, 3:28 pm

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It's almost like it doesn't do any differential diagnosis and instead gives a list of everything that might be relevant.

This makes sense, if the goal is to get people to discuss things with professionals. The doctor will perform the DD.


That makes sense.


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22 May 2023, 3:35 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Knit one, Purl two Ferr. :P


Perhaps I should unplug and take up knitting. :jester:


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22 May 2023, 3:39 pm

I’m a good teacher.
My dad taught me.
I actually prefer Purls. 8O


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22 May 2023, 4:20 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I have the first section of OCD stuff but it’s all in relation to trauma so I’d consider it PTSD rather than OCD. It seems PTSD isn’t one of the outcomes for anyone.

Yeah, it’s strange that it didn’t really ask any PTSD-specific questions.



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22 May 2023, 4:48 pm

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I don't like the pressure of medication either, and when I was first diagnosed I got medication suggested to me, but they don't force you to take it if you don't want to. I said I didn't want to, and they said that's fine and left it at that.

Yes, depending on who you get, they might respect the client's opinion about medications. And they can't usually force people to take these things or interfere if the client decides to discontinue the medicine. I just don't like saying no, though I'm capable of it if need be.



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22 May 2023, 4:49 pm

I think the various co-morbids are definitely their own standalone diagnoses. However I recall reading that there is no evidence on a biological level that these things are separate entities when existing within the same person.

OCD is definitely a distinct diagnosis from ASD, you can have OCD and not have ASD. But ASD can be mistaken for OCD, too, with ritualistic behaviors and needing things to be done in particular ways. I am wondering if some of my OCD behaviors as a child were actually more related to ASD - such as having trouble getting rid of gross or disturbing thoughts. I have heard other people on the spectrum talk about similar experiences.


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22 May 2023, 5:44 pm

As a child, I don't have a lot of notable comorbidities.


There was no specific diagnosis of emotional dysregulation for children.
My own type of emotional dysregulation is overly expressive and intense -- violent even -- than seemingly flat line.
Passes off as immaturity. Passes off as low EQ. Passes off as my social age.

Whatever my language processing issue was, it's currently undetected and is only visible as an IQ score.

My sensory issues are more tied to my mental health than my actual sensory processing, and it's not the other way around.

I fail at routines. Despite the willfulness, despite the planning and intent.
Most of my failures came from emotional dysregulation, and that fed a loop of disappointments.

Maladaptive daydreams as a child definitely.
It came from mostly at the fact that I might've been deprived and unsatisfied in life.
Not enough to pass as ADD, but it definably stole some of my processing power.

My 'paranoia' is basically nosy parenting and lack of privacy at home.
Also why I was able to compartmentalize so well... To a point that my special interests are hidden, my fantasies are hidden, and the only thing that's visible is likes and dislikes.
Not enough to pass for social flat affect.

How much of my asociality is autism?
How much of my asociality is subconscious pride and social scheming? (Yup)
How much of my asociality is years of disappointment and hurt?
How much of my asociality is plain preferences uninfluenced?
I know which is which. Not enough to pass as a form of personality issue nor any attachment disorders as a child -- because I definitely do not have that.

Any of my clumsiness came mostly from inattention.
Clumsiness is not inherent to me.
Inattention itself is also not inherent -- limited processing is, however.

I literally cannot afford OCD. High standards or not, I cannot afford perfectionism. I cannot afford symmetry. I cannot afford strict routines even.
Most of my 'perfectionism' is emotional dysregulation and EF issues than mindset or conscious preference.
Unless it was because I compartmentalize so well... Except my looping thoughts feels more neutral than anxiety driven. Purely autism, not OCD.

Whatever anxiety disorders I had, it "didn't lasts".
My longest was, well, 10 years at most.
No therapy, no meds. No hospitalizations, no counselling.
My paranoias do not last. My rejection sensitivities do not last. My sense of embarrassment and awkwardness do not last.
My fears and worries do not last regardless of the reality. Also, no phobias.


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22 May 2023, 5:49 pm

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Did you do the quiz, Joe?


Yes. Eventually. :lol:

Here are my results:-

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Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by the presence of obsessions (recurrent, intrusive thoughts or impulses) and/or compulsions (repetitive behaviors, such as counting or hand washing) that the individual feels driven to perform. These obsessions or compulsions are time-consuming and cause significant distress or impairment; they may cause an adult to withdraw from family and friends, and avoid interacting with colleagues. Symptoms often begin in adolescence.

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Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a neurodevelopmental condition with hyperactive/impulsive and/or inattentive symptoms that persist into adulthood for nearly 5% of U.S. adults. The symptoms of ADHD in adults include hypersensitive emotionality, weak working memory, impulsivity, lack of focus, and poor organization, among others

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Dyscalculia is a learning disability characterized by difficulty mastering number facts and sense and arithmetic skills that is not explained by age, intelligence, or schooling. Adults with dyscalculia find it difficult to keep track of numbers, perform simple calculations, and memorize basic math facts. They may easily forget names, habitually arrive late, and have poor memory for anything number related.

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Anxiety. When most people talk about anxiety, they really mean generalized anxiety disorder, or GAD. GAD refers to anxiety that is nearly constant and disproportionate to its causes. Adults with GAD tend to worry about everything — regardless of whether its formidable, changeable, or foreseeable. They suffer from sleep problems, irritability, difficulty concentrating, and excessive worry, among other symptoms


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22 May 2023, 5:54 pm

OCD doesn't necessarily mean repetitive behaviours. It can mean obsessing over thoughts and not being able to rest until you have won an argument. For me this only seems to happen online. But it's like impulsivity mixed with frustration, insecurity and OCD.


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22 May 2023, 6:01 pm

Joe90 wrote:
OCD doesn't necessarily mean repetitive behaviours. It can mean obsessing over thoughts and not being able to rest until you have won an argument. For me this only seems to happen online. But it's like impulsivity mixed with frustration, insecurity and OCD.


I don't have any interest in winning arguments. The only thoughts I obsess over are trauma-related, or rabbit hole topics like when I had to buy a new fridge and I got obsessed checking the stats to make sure I found the exactly right size down to the millimetre, or getting the exactly right colour of yarn to fix my Holly Hobby.

My obsessive thinking is generally unrelated to interpersonal situations. It's more detail-oriented for me like writing with too much detail or overthinking little details in planning. I'm not always like that though. It all comes and goes. If I'm not in a rabbit hole or having a trauma day (or buying a fridge lol), I'm totally laissez-faire and couldn't care less about obsessive thoughts.


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22 May 2023, 6:04 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
or rabbit hole topics like when I had to buy a new fridge and I got obsessed checking the stats to make sure I found the exactly right size down to the millimetre, or getting the exactly right colour of yarn to fix my Holly Hobby.


I've always attributed stuff like that (at least, for me) as an expression of ADD.


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