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It's not unbiased, I just noticed that there's a lot of ridiculous notions around here, and a number of people with unwarranted self-importance because they were diagnosed with some disorder.

A round of applause for Who_Am_I, Rainsong and all the others posters.

Stop arguing, Flagg and MarieElana. It might be what PoptartQueen wants. Flagg, hold out your hand. I've got a cane right here in the corner! Hold still!

When I joined this forum as an NT I was aware of the anger some aspies have towards NTs. I understood that this was an aspie place where aspie issues are central and this may be the only place where such anger can be unleashed.

Robyn

What is wrong with people having opposing view-points discussing them? They we're not calling each other names. So if someone says something that I don't agree with its wrong to say that I disagree? Maybe that is considered rude and arrogant in the NT world but not here on WP.

Their unwarranted self-importance is not "because they were diagnosed with some disorder." It's because they're part of a society in which intellectual snobbery is kind of traditional, where groups of internet-going "heavy thinkers" of any affiliation are likely to act arrogant and superior and develop intellectual snobbery (I've seen this same attitude with transsexuals and Myers-Briggs INTPs, and I'm sure it's not limited to them), and where insecure egos are a routine mass-produced product of the sociocultural machine. If they weren't attaching their sense of superiority to their Asperger's, they'd probably attach it to something else.

So if you're going to blame anyone for the ridiculous notions, blame Western society and its tradition of superiority theories long used as an excuse to oppress people.

What's clear from reading the attitudes on these forums is that, assuming that the Aspie superiority theorists are not just misdiagnosed or self-misdiagnosed closet NTs, pettiness, illogic, and egotism largely transcend neurology. So by acting so superior - just like the "oppressors" do - the Aspies here are actually disproving their own superiority theories. They are not above the emotinal reasoning and social pettiness found within the general ("NT") population. They just come to it via a different route, when they do come to it.

Well I don't see how diagnoses like ADHD are more limiting than our plight, not that I see autism as a disorder (but it's treated as one, which generally puts us in the same category).... Stuff like ADHD are nearly trash can diagnoses, if it is a disorder it's so mild you can't even collect a check for it, and society does not stigmatize you for it.

I don't see autism as a disorder, it's just a difference. We could just as easily call NT a disorder. We've just got different strengths and weaknesses.

I don't know, there are some very debilitating things in autism. My friend will never live an independent life, and I betcha some people would jump just to defend his right to have autism if there was to be a cure for it.

God damn it. Would you cut the crap, Marie? We don't need any more insults. You don't even belong here, you're probably a NT troll impersonating an Aspie so you can insult us.

Dan Aykroyd, Bill Gates, and some guy on Boston Legal all have Asperger's. In addition, the genius Albert Einstein, the famous writer James Joyce, and countless other people throughout history have been diagnosed.

Plus, I work for a newspaper and I'm 18. People all over town, people I've never met, have come up to me on the street and said they liked my articles, including one who raved about them. My editor said I'm a natural.

That's enough evidence in itself, but if you dig, you'll find more. Asperger's is not debilitating. I will most certainly live an independent, if slightly unusual, life.

I think Marie in the last post was referring to what's commonly called "low-functioning autism," which IMO should probably be called something more like "sensory-cognitive quirks with notable self-care and verbal communication disabilities." Self-care and verbal communication disabilities do need to be somehow remedied or compensated for. But truly disabled people should have a right to exist despite their differing needs. Severe disabilities aren't necessarily the fate-worse-than-death that they're made out to be, IF the people who help accommodate the disabled do not abuse them. We have no way to gauge the full complexity of what goes on inside the mind of someone who is alive and has a brain producing brain waves but severely disabled.

Furthermore, many people who are "LFA" at some point do manage to develop self-care and communication abilities.

I did not mean AS is debilitating, though there are some who have given up on certain things just because they have it, I mean full-blown autism, and though they do have the right to exist there should be a way to remedy how they are. I feel awful that they have to live life without independence while their friends grow up, mature and move on, but I don't think that anyone, not even me with AS, could imagine what it's like. Compared to that we really have it easy, as far as living life there is nothing holding us back.

The fact we'd still be judged is not based on NT hate. It's the fact everyone is judgemental to a degree.

Guess why?

We're wired for it, each and everyone of us. From NT to LFA.