Autism and the God Connection

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I wouldn't say that this is officially the case (at least not in the RC Church, which is my special area of interest), but the general consensus among believers is, "If you're not feeling it, you're not trying/holy/good/special enough." This has two effects, the first being that they have good reason to grab ahold of anything remotely spiritual-seeming and pass it off as a special message from God... the second being that those who do not hear, feel, or see such things are shamed. Again, not by the official teachings, but by one's fellow believers.

I don't think so. First, all genetic defects are kept at low prevalences because of the disadvantage these confere to the bearers. No real defect without some positive value has such a high prevalence as autism, AS or AD/HD. Second, if there existed any simple genetic mutation that would "screw up" a human being, it would get selected out of the genome very quickly.

And, apparently, you haven't studied the specific questions in Aspie-quiz. Aspie-quis is not a diagnostic instrument full of dysfunction questions. Most of the questions are more related to preferences and general human variation, and as such are certainly no defects.

The final thing that effectively "kills-off" this hypothesis is that inter-question correlations are highly variable (basically from 0-0., which they wouldn't be if only one single genetic difference mattered.

No, when it's 16,000 people the chance goes up exponetally that this will happen. The bigger the group, the easier it is to start a chain delusion and overcome the indivual's common sense. Once again, just because you felt it doesn't mean it's real. I feel things all the time that aren't there, I hear music in my head. It's the exact same thing.



Urban myths are fun if you remember they are myths. I want a reliable source, a research article should do.



Everyone is capable of sheer idiocy. A reviewer is still a human being and therefore capable of delusions and feeling things that are not there.

~ Flagg the Grumpy MD who is really good at this

Last edited by Flagg on 31 Aug 2007, 3:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

You win on that ground, one cell isn't going to sour the pie unless it's in the very earliest stages of human growth (Zygote or not far beyond). It's probably chromosomal or somehow related to a disjunction error. (We should be happy it's not Patau's)

~ Flagg the Grumpy MD who admits defeat

One day you WILL understand me.

But what you are posting is what you think and to be perfectly honest with you, you really need to start searching and I challenge that I mean come on 16.000 people it's wasn't just in London it's all over the world it's international. People are turning to God people are believing and if you don't believe me start searching and open your mind.

All the philosiphy and all Theology is man made theory and sometimes making up theory isn't really good. But ask one question it's on evolution If the world was created by a big bang what causeed the big bang? Has to be something that caused it.

Also another question if humans are supposed to be evolved by apes and monkeys why is it that I can't swing throw trees or anything and why is it I find Bananas horrible.

I have read the thread with great interest. As an aspie (self diagnosed) and experienced several religions including christianity, now a spiritual without religion.

I would think Aspergers as a variation of human genetics, rather than a "gift from God". This is an easier explanation, Occam Razor style, than the gift from God one (one would have to explain the existence of God, then the existence of benovelent blessing god next, etc).

Should Aspies, in the next 100 years function (eg survive and live independently) better than the current version of humanity (neurotypicals), and reproduce more offsprings with Aspies, then the Aspie version will gradually become the more efficient version of humanity. Natural and artificial selection will help along any favourable variations in evolution. Bear in mind that evolution has no purpose at all, but a theory to explain species ability to change form, and religion has nothing to do with it.

Individuals and groups may follow religions if they wish or as part of their culture, and for the good of society, but as such religion play no designer's part in the theory of evolution.

BTW I have heard of Indigo children, there may be parallels with Aspergers, but I tend to believe it is a "New Age" meme (I am not new age).

Because humans have evolved away from the arboreal environment. Thats the idea, we changed from arboral so that we no longer hairy apes with great upper body strength. Other than that, we are still primate, hairless, toolmaking apes. We have lived on grassland for so long that strong arms are redunant for survival. Enhanced intelligence and the opposing thumb enabled humans to make tools, starting with flint, and this means we make spears to hunt better, and this enables us to survive on the plains better than we can survive in the jungle. (Also with use of fire) The next great stage in survival must be agriculture, then economy society (requiring people intelligent enough to do arithmetics). The next version must be increased curiosity and thirst for knowledge (technological society with schools and universities). By the time we are computer geeks in the middle of an upgrade to the next version in human evolution (ie, Aspergers), we are adapted to make tools so efficiently that our arms are so weak as to climb trees badly. But look at any tree surgeon, with ropes, harnesses and they have no problem climbing trees!

Hopes that answers questions about evolution of humans from apes.

We are intelligent hairless apes with weak arms, many of whom still like bananas!

All you anti-religion ppl don't want to watch the film so what? No one is forcing you too.
If more open minded ppl want to see the film what's it to you? No reason to get bent out of shape.

Quit trying to act like House.

Anyway, my parents believe I was born with Asperger's for a reason, and they're glad I am the way I am.

I agree. I believe I'm here for a reason I talk to God everyday.

[quote="Flagg"]The average aspie is an atheist is this basically asking the minority to represent the whole.

How can you work on averages I'm an aspie and I believe in God.

Ohhh.

Appeal to time, wonderful logic fallacy. I don't buy it.



I've already been on my quest for spiritual enlightenment. I came to the conclusion the existence or non-existence of deities is a pointless question. Idiocy transcends, race, gender, sex and location. It's quite easy to make a horde of idiots scattered across the world. Belief is merely that, belief. It's like believing in the Tooth Fairy but more comforting until you realize your all loving "god" created AIDS, SARS, 9/11, the Holocaust and Inquisition. If deities exist, they are like eight year old kids with ant farms and a magnifying glass.




Appeal to Ignorance fallacy. It might fit the parameters but there is no evidence of a deity or set of deities starting the universe.



My friend already kicked your ass at this one so I don't need to beat you to death with a biology textbook.

~Flagg the Grumpy MD who is having a fun time beating the crap out of you

rdos...interesting you mention that...I too have had quite a few paranormal type things happen...and I believe my son as well.

Any info that you know of related to that? Or even threads here about it? I couldn't find any.

I also have had paranormal experiences... a voice within me that gives me guidance and answers. My NT mom thinks God speaks to me more than the average Joe.

I didn't understand a single word you said there. But all I'm going to say is I'm a christian I believe in a God who is powerful but that doesn't mean I know all the answers. I don't have all the answer in the world.