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12 Sep 2007, 11:39 am

Sorry Labpet I already called first dibs on the labratory. But if you are nice and also leave your Victorian Secret catalog at home I may let you climb in the centrifuge and go for a spin. I get to push the button though!

I don't get why someone in Alaska couldn't participate because his original post said he could talk to them on the phone. He may have got overwhelmed by the number of crazy Aspies that responded and changed the rules though.

I did finally get an email from him. Yeah several typos, alternating capitalization, typing the same word twice. I think he's one of us. He also PM'd me twice and said the way WP works was confusing and overwhelming. I don't know what that meant unless the server crashed while he was writing which happens to me a lot too. Anyway he said he could arrange to meet me. ahem Will be in a well lit public place!

Someone research this guy some more please. I have to go offline and go to physical therapy and then on to work. I have already had a Colt 45 pointed in my face once by a crazy and don't want to repeat that. How the heck do we know who he is for real? Perhaps Aspies should show up at a group to meet and not individually.



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12 Sep 2007, 11:47 am

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Hi Kit. Thanks for letting us know. How did you check him out?


He was easy.
First I checked UCLA. He wasn’t listed, I wasn’t disturbed, emeritus just means retired but I wondered if he was listed in some other capacity e.g. adjunct faculty; negative.

I then searched his name. Numerous citations appeared. Reviewing them I determined that they were topically very similar to his stated purpose for being here. While poking around I noted any email addresses I came upon. His AOL address appeared several times and was in some hits, published several years ago.

Finally I did a ShadowLess linguistic analysis of his post. There is not much there to work with but the results gave high returns for candor, truthfulness and depth. Conversely deception was nonexistent. BTW this is how I know of the six spelling errors. I didn’t do his pubs because formal language, words of art and the heavy collaborative editing these things go through usually prevents meaningful individual analysis.

So, all considered, I believe he is quite genuine and furthermore is a heavy hitter in this field. The guy isn’t some sunshine blowing hustler who has discovered AS and wants to profit by books and seminars. He’s the real deal, help him, respect him, he’s on our side.



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12 Sep 2007, 2:41 pm

I'm not convinced yet. What is a "ShadowLess linguistic analysis"?



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12 Sep 2007, 2:59 pm

I'm not convinced either. For one anyone can pretend to be someone else online and could use the credentials of an outstanding professor.

He hasn't said yet how he wants to meet up with me. But everyone that is planning to meet him go with a family member or NT friend if you can. Do not meet in a hotel, do not invite him to your place. Seems like a professional would arrange to use the facilities of another university meeting room or hospital for this. But maybe not. Meet him in a public place like library or coffee house or even a public park as long as there are joggers and cars passing by frequently.

Do not meet any stranger in a secluded place. You never know when some fruitloop could try to prey on weak Aspies as they might think Aspies are easy to dominate. This guy could be really nice and genuinely want to do research for the good- BUT be on your guard anyway.

Remember as Alastor Moody says "Constant Vigilance!"



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12 Sep 2007, 3:32 pm

If he wants to meet anywhere other than the University, don't do it!



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12 Sep 2007, 4:20 pm

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The only variables I can point to that may contribute to this are increased age and perhaps one class of drugs. I just returned from West Africa where I took anti-malarials (Malarone & Chloroquine) for some months. I realize now that is when this transformation began. I admit this connection is far fetched but I can’t account for the sudden change otherwise. BTW I take no other drugs; I have no prejudice, I just don’t feel I need them or that they would be of benefit.


I am not in the medical field, but certainly Malarone & Chloroquine, which are indicated for anti-malarials (& and anti-emetics, etc) definitely have peculiar psychoactive effects in select individuals, for whatever reason. As a side-effect, they can make mimic notable psychotic symptoms. I cannot guess for you, but certain inhibitors may make you feel less withdrawn. Since you're in the autistic spectrum, this could give you a channel to the outside better.....just speculation. The drug effects, though, can certainly be real. Plus, maybe just life experience, by trial and error, has given you some insight.

I agree with Inventor - I want to be invited to Eddie's lab. I'm naked under my lab coat.
Oh, BTW, has anyone heard from Eddie on this thread since his original post? I do hope his feelings aren't hurt.

Eddie - where are you?


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12 Sep 2007, 4:47 pm

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The bad spelling and sloppiness don't match up with the MDs and PhDs I've known, particularly of the older generation.


I agree!

And on a side note, I love your avatar!



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12 Sep 2007, 5:15 pm

Eddie, your turn.....respond here and now. We are positively dying of curiosity. Indulge us.

Who are you?

Not to worry, we won't tell. Just between us. The Aspergians wish to engage you. Comply.




Being ignored hurts my feelings.


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12 Sep 2007, 6:05 pm

I wish to thank all of you who were kind enough to offer assistance. For those of you who have made insulting comments, read the following please.

I am the "real" thing.

I was the first scientist to document the neurological vs. psychological cause of autism in the 1960's and 1970s, I was chairman of the professional advisory board of the Autism Society of America for many years (I attended my first meeting of this society in 1979), I was the first to publish scientific information on adults with autism who were married and had children, I was on the DSM IV committee that drafted the definitions of autism and Asperger’s disorder, I have published scientific articles on serotonin, melatonin, eeg. erg, and other biomedical parameters, and my current project to standardize the diagnostic scale is being conducted at 8 universities around the globe.
If you have a sincere interest in learning about what i have contributed to our understanding of autism spectrum disorders just go to pub med and or amazon. com -type in my name- and read.

I am 77 years old and typing is not my special skill (if you get what I mean) and I do not appreciate your unkind remarks


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12 Sep 2007, 6:16 pm

You should know better than anyone, then, that Aspies are frequently vulnerable, and even gullible. Some of us are looking out for the group by providing information. Folks can make up their own minds. The comment I made about the spelling and typos was not out of line, considering that anyone can present themselves as anyone else online, and one must look at all evidence as to determine whether a person is who they say they are.

And Aspie "humor" can be cruel. It's a defense mechanism. 8O



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12 Sep 2007, 6:18 pm

He just declined to interview me now. I guess he expected me to drive round trip of 500+ miles for $20. That won't even fill up the gas tank. What a load of crock. I thought he said in first message he could interview people by phone? This guy sounds fishy. I think he's wanting to arrange rendevous not conduct research. I think the University needs to be contacted, this is extremely creepy. I have taken part in research before and this guy is beginning to sound weird, especially if different websearches are bringing up conflicting info on this guy.



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12 Sep 2007, 7:23 pm

Ticker wrote:
I think the University needs to be contacted, this is extremely creepy. I have taken part in research before and this guy is beginning to sound weird, especially if different websearches are bringing up conflicting info on this guy.


I agree! Maybe I'll get the courage to call tomorrow myself.

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"I am 77 years old and typing is not my special skill (if you get what I mean) and I do not appreciate your unkind remarks"



Hey guys, this man does not appreciate our "unkind remarks"? If he were a true professional, he wouldn't allow anything we say to bother him. It'd be water running off a ducks back, or whatever that saying is.



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12 Sep 2007, 10:20 pm

Dr. Ed wrote: "I am the "real" thing."

AS OPPOSED TO IMAGINARY. LET US MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.


Um, not to further exacerbate the point, but am I still your favorite? Seriously, we meant no offense. However, if you 'know' HFA autistics, as you say, then you realize our commonalities, which you have seen in action right here and now. We can be rather enduring, yes? Given your age, which you disclosed, the pioneering research my Dr. Hans Asperger and Dr. Leo Kanner, just coming into fruition, must have been influential for you. In a previous thread I had suggested having a seance for Dr. Hans Asperger.

I believe you're experiencing neurotypical emotions. Perhaps you can, like us, become impartial - it's a good thing.

Empircal question (RE: your research method): How is your proposed research study randomized or stratisfied if you disqualify many of us? Please clarify your rationale. I shall investigate further your previously published works. I analyze and interpret data.


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12 Sep 2007, 11:00 pm

LabPet wrote:
I believe you're experiencing neurotypical emotions. Perhaps you can, like us, become impartial - it's a good thing.


To be fair... I'm not sure how much of an "impartial" response he actually got. It was a bit one sided... but why that surprised over our reactions and replies? You guys mentioned you got no responses at all back, or were denied. A lot of us don't have the best view of "experts" as it is in a lot of ways, so there was a slanted response kind of by default of that, wouldn't you say?

Hey, I did apologize, as I realized I probably wouldn't feel so hot if someone didn't believe me, or took pleasure out of ridiculing me, lol. But still no response. I asked if it could be mailed or something, and told him I didn't want the $20-I'm here if he really does want to do the research, but it doesn't seem to be such a priority for him to get the answers. At least, judging by the responses people here have gotten so far, and the lack of understanding clearly shown by an "expert" in the area, it doesn't seem to be so.

Not trying to sound cold, just trying to figure it out.


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