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25 Oct 2007, 2:19 pm

People tend to assume one particular thing is "normal" and that any belief that conflicts with that normalcy needs to be proved. Yet what is considered the "default theory" tends to be a baseless assumption in the first place. This is why I consider atheism a religion. You have the reasonable followers of it, who say "I don't believe in god.", and then you have the fanatics, who say "God doesn't exist." They have to be right, just because, and to change their minds, you'd have to supply them with proof. I've seen the same thing with Christians. Some are perfectly reasonable and merely believe in what they do because it feels right, then there are those who refuse to acknowledge their beliefs as a "religion", instead calling it "the truth - the way things are". Again, they must be disproved in order to change their beliefs.

The problem with requiring proof to change your mind is that there is no such thing as proof. As Yog-Sothoth pointed out, the human mind is quite powerful, and that no matter how convincing something is, it might not be the truth. You may not even be reading this text. Maybe Wrong Planet has never existed and you are actually locked up and completely delusional, imagining all of this. People who require proof to change their minds, rather than merely an establishment of greater likelihood, will hold the same beliefs until they die, completely unable to change, learn, or grow. We really have no choice but to listen when our minds tell us something is true. That is why when I get that feeling, I believe it is from GOD. I explored many possibilities prior, and could never completely eliminate all of them, but this is what I feel is the most likely possibility. I may be wrong, yes, but we can never be sure of anything. Some goes for those who say I am just imagining things. It is possible they are wrong as well. It's important to realize we don't actually understand everything. That is why we think things, rather than know them, and I don't see anything wrong with that, so long as you don't get the two mixed up.



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26 Oct 2007, 1:04 am

It should be acknowledged that God is a socially manufactured product. When someone has a strange feeling of a superior presence they can look around for a convenient category in which to place it. I have never had any feelings of a superior presence, but if someone does it may be a psychological glitch or if it has some reality it might just as well be an intervention of an alien mind from an overflying saucer or or something from a parallel world. I do not subscribe to any of that but the possibility exists, it seems to me, just as well as the conventional sense of God.



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26 Oct 2007, 1:52 pm

Sand wrote:
It should be acknowledged that God is a socially manufactured product. When someone has a strange feeling of a superior presence they can look around for a convenient category in which to place it. I have never had any feelings of a superior presence, but if someone does it may be a psychological glitch or if it has some reality it might just as well be an intervention of an alien mind from an overflying saucer or or something from a parallel world. I do not subscribe to any of that but the possibility exists, it seems to me, just as well as the conventional sense of God.


Conventional as in some guy with a white beard sitting up in the clouds? I would agree with you that this is socially manufactured. However, I think it's more than a coincidence that I've felt this only at relevant times, such as when I pray to GOD or am in church. It doesn't happen completely at random. Aliens would be unlikely to wait for these times. I'm not claiming to have a detailed explanation of what GOD is. I don't think the answer would be simple enough that it could be bottled into a concrete image of a human being with emotions and a personality, though these might be useful tools for helping some to understand GOD, and again, the idea that I only feel this because of a psychological glitch could be applied to any understanding of anything.



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03 Nov 2007, 2:46 am

I've felt the presence of G-d quite often, and more so recently.
I've been involving myself in religious activity more often recently.



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03 Nov 2007, 2:53 am

You cant know an entity is real until you converse with them. Just hearing a voice isnt enough. A physical manifestation before you is most persuading.


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03 Nov 2007, 2:58 am

Kamex wrote:
People tend to assume one particular thing is "normal" and that any belief that conflicts with that normalcy needs to be proved. Yet what is considered the "default theory" tends to be a baseless assumption in the first place. This is why I consider atheism a religion. You have the reasonable followers of it, who say "I don't believe in god.", and then you have the fanatics, who say "God doesn't exist." They have to be right, just because, and to change their minds, you'd have to supply them with proof. I've seen the same thing with Christians. Some are perfectly reasonable and merely believe in what they do because it feels right, then there are those who refuse to acknowledge their beliefs as a "religion", instead calling it "the truth - the way things are". Again, they must be disproved in order to change their beliefs.

The problem with requiring proof to change your mind is that there is no such thing as proof. As Yog-Sothoth pointed out, the human mind is quite powerful, and that no matter how convincing something is, it might not be the truth. You may not even be reading this text. Maybe Wrong Planet has never existed and you are actually locked up and completely delusional, imagining all of this. People who require proof to change their minds, rather than merely an establishment of greater likelihood, will hold the same beliefs until they die, completely unable to change, learn, or grow. We really have no choice but to listen when our minds tell us something is true. That is why when I get that feeling, I believe it is from GOD. I explored many possibilities prior, and could never completely eliminate all of them, but this is what I feel is the most likely possibility. I may be wrong, yes, but we can never be sure of anything. Some goes for those who say I am just imagining things. It is possible they are wrong as well. It's important to realize we don't actually understand everything. That is why we think things, rather than know them, and I don't see anything wrong with that, so long as you don't get the two mixed up.


Why not just believe in fairies and unicorns then? Just as logical as your belief in Yahweh.
You can believe that setting your hair on fire isn't going to burn you. Does not make it true.



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03 Nov 2007, 3:02 am

Kalister1 wrote:
... belief in Yahweh.
Ick reading that name makes me cringe><


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03 Nov 2007, 11:37 am

I think if God talks to you it is non-verbal.


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03 Nov 2007, 12:20 pm

username88 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
... belief in Yahweh.
Ick reading that name makes me cringe><

Interestingly, in Judaism, you're not supposed to pronounce, write, or read God's name, although it's believed to be the one Kalister1 wrote. (Thinking the name in your head is allowed, though.) In prayer and in casual speech, alternative references are used to avoid saying that name.



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03 Nov 2007, 1:29 pm

If you cannot learn God's name from writing or speaking, how do you find out what it is?



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03 Nov 2007, 1:32 pm

I have felt God's presence many times throughout my life.



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03 Nov 2007, 2:43 pm

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If you cannot learn God's name from writing or speaking, how do you find out what it is?

The alternative references make use of parts of the original name. When you combine the parts (people know which ones), you get the original name of God. Also, the written name can appear in the Torah, since it's a holy book, so people learn it there. The reason why you can't write the name casually, is that you can't destroy the paper you wrote the name on.



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03 Nov 2007, 3:48 pm

No, all that mumbo-jumbo has been banished from my mind. I am convinced that "believing" is one of the biggest wastes of time known to humanity. I think, I question, I doubt, but I don't believe, nor do I necessarily feel the need to "know" anything. I'm convinced of a few things, but that could change at any time.


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03 Nov 2007, 4:56 pm

Having faith in something greater than me is what keeps me from going off the deep end. Simple as that.


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03 Nov 2007, 8:54 pm

I was raised as an Atheist and I've NEVER felt ANYTHING metaphysical. I like the idea of gods, and I've tried to be religious, but I have never felt or believed in gods. I think it's mainly how you were raised that determines it. Well, unless there IS a god, which I can't disprove, and he actually DOES give you an external or internal sign. If that's the case, well, congratulations.

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Just remember that your rational thinking was given by the gods. I wish all religious people of all faiths would remember that. ;)



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03 Nov 2007, 11:18 pm

Sand wrote:
you can't destroy the paper you wrote the name on.
Thanks for the wonderful idea. :)


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