Think I figured out why I have trouble reading some people..

Page 3 of 3 [ 42 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

Icarus_Falling
everyman antihero
everyman antihero

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,215
Location: beyond human comprehension

12 Nov 2007, 3:56 pm

Kitsy wrote:
The reason why I'm wondering about such things is because I've always had a hard time reading fantasy novels or sci-fi. I didn't know if it was because I wasn't interested in it at all and that is why I could never remember it.

Now I wonder if certain writing styles will actually be better rather than dismissing it as reading comprehension.

Have you tried poetry? Not little love poems poetry, but epic poetry like Beowulf, or the Iliad, or the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, or Shakespeare, or Carroll's poems?

The fair breeze blew; the white foam flew; the furrow followed free.
We were the first, to ever burst, into that silent sea.

Down dropped the wind; the sails dropped down; t'was sad as sad could be.
And we did speak, if just to break, the silence of that sea.

All in a hot and copper sky, the bloody sun at noon,
Right up above the mast did stand, no taller than the moon.

Day after day, day after day, we stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship, upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere, and all the boards did shrink.
Water, water, everywhere, nor any drop to drink...


(That's from memory [a forced memorization from my highschool days], so any differences in organization and paritular wording are my own.)

Good fortune,

- Icarus is a content engineer...


_________________
Please forgive me if, in the heat of battle, I sometimes forget which side I'm on.


mmaestro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Aug 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 522
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

12 Nov 2007, 4:21 pm

I find with very long, unparagraphed sections of text, I highlight shorter sections using the mouse, and that makes it a lot easier to avoid getting lose in the mass. Otherwise I think I can jump from line to line, it takes a lot of concentration not to get lost in the midst of things.


_________________
"You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd"
-Captain Sheridan, Babylon 5

Music of the Moment: Radiohead - In Rainbows


fivecents
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 362
Location: NJ

12 Nov 2007, 7:02 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
i miss the way calandale used to type :(


I miss Calandale as well.

Tim


What happened to Calandale?



Kitsy
Supporting Member
Supporting Member

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,015

12 Nov 2007, 9:33 pm

Icarus_Falling wrote:
Kitsy wrote:
The reason why I'm wondering about such things is because I've always had a hard time reading fantasy novels or sci-fi. I didn't know if it was because I wasn't interested in it at all and that is why I could never remember it.

Now I wonder if certain writing styles will actually be better rather than dismissing it as reading comprehension.

Have you tried poetry? Not little love poems poetry, but epic poetry like Beowulf, or the Iliad, or the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, or Shakespeare, or Carroll's poems?

The fair breeze blew; the white foam flew; the furrow followed free.
We were the first, to ever burst, into that silent sea.

Down dropped the wind; the sails dropped down; t'was sad as sad could be.
And we did speak, if just to break, the silence of that sea.

All in a hot and copper sky, the bloody sun at noon,
Right up above the mast did stand, no taller than the moon.

Day after day, day after day, we stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship, upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere, and all the boards did shrink.
Water, water, everywhere, nor any drop to drink...


(That's from memory [a forced memorization from my highschool days], so any differences in organization and paritular wording are my own.)

Good fortune,

- Icarus is a content engineer...


That was great from memory.

When you say you are a content engineer, what do you write? I like to come up with ideas for plays, skits, comedies and used to write poetry. I don't like writing poetry anymore.


_________________
I am the DAN Monster. I have your child. You owe me twenty five thousand dollars.

xx Dan Monster


Inventor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,014
Location: New Orleans

12 Nov 2007, 11:23 pm

Inventor wrote:
Words on paper are not books, said the editor, they are stories hidden behind words. Chainsaws are used to fell the trees for paper, not for editing. You were about to tell a dozen stories, yet change direction without finishing one! You will never convict a character without Means, Motive, and Oppertunity!


Come forth story digestor, I await your translation.



Kitsy
Supporting Member
Supporting Member

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,015

12 Nov 2007, 11:35 pm

Inventor wrote:
Inventor wrote:
Words on paper are not books, said the editor, they are stories hidden behind words. Chainsaws are used to fell the trees for paper, not for editing. You were about to tell a dozen stories, yet change direction without finishing one! You will never convict a character without Means, Motive, and Oppertunity!


Come forth story digestor, I await your translation.


From what I can gather, it sounds as if you are describing an author that is choppy with their writing style and did not complete a profile of a character.

Someone who may trail off forgetting about a character that could bring more depth into the plot.


_________________
I am the DAN Monster. I have your child. You owe me twenty five thousand dollars.

xx Dan Monster


nobodyzdream
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,267
Location: St. Charles, MO-USA

13 Nov 2007, 1:58 am

Icarus_Falling wrote:
I've already told Graelwyn that I'll start using more paragraphs.

I dunno about every 2-3 sentences.

Maybe every 1 sentence.

That would be an interesting writing style.

I wonder if the user of a paragraph per sentence would defeat the purpose of paragraphs at all?

I write a lot, use lots of words.

But I do want people to read my stuff.

Many do.

Many complement.

But some complain it is "too long".

If I can't please everyone half the time,

perhaps I can please nobody most of the time.

It may be worth it.

I don't know.

Everything in life is a trade off,

a compromise.

Perhaps I'll start writing my posts like BASIC programs.

10. With line numbers incrementing by 10's.

20. That might be an interesting style too.

30. I'm open to trying new things.

40. But something that I often wonder is,

50. are people with AS or autism able to read books at all?

60. Think of the huge blocks of text in a typical fantasy novel.

70. My gods!

80. It is truly mind boggling.

90. I so often wish that I was just telepathic.

100. Human language is such a cumbersome, ineloquent, imprecise thing.

110. So easy to misinterpret.

120. So easy to misunderstand.

130. Inherently ambiguous.

140. Subject to enormous data loss when translating thoughts.

150. But let me know.

160. I am always open to feedback.

Good fortune,

- Icarus just wants to communicate...


lol, that was actually difficult for me to decipher, lol. No clue why-I think the numbers threw me off, lol.


_________________
Sorry for the long post...

I'm my own guinea pig.


Icarus_Falling
everyman antihero
everyman antihero

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,215
Location: beyond human comprehension

13 Nov 2007, 4:28 pm

Kitsy wrote:
That was great from memory.

I like that passage; it's always stuck with me for some reason; the lines ring in my mind like lyrics of a song.

Kitsy wrote:
When you say you are a content engineer, what do you write? I like to come up with ideas for plays, skits, comedies and used to write poetry. I don't like writing poetry anymore.

I write developer documentation, which in terms of writing, is about as far away from creative writing as one can get. But a need to express myself as a creative writer is one of the things I do in this place. I describe my job in more detail here. The term "content engineer" is no stretch or exaggeration; people in my job need to deal with many things beyond writing, such as presentation, organization, discoverability, writing to multiple audiences, etc. Whether we do a good job of it (or are put in a position where it is possible to do a good job of it) is another matter, but it is an interesting problem space.

I've never written much poetry, but I've started to do a bit of off the cuff stuff recently, and enjoy it; I may do more. I'll take your place in the lattice of poets if you like. In all likelihood, I'll probably end up writing songs, since to me many songs seem like poems put to music, and I like the extra dimension that the music ads to the art form. One of the other reasons I remember those poem lines above is that I've put them to music, and often sing them to myself. But that song is incomplete.

Good fortune,

- Icarus hears music in his head...


_________________
Please forgive me if, in the heat of battle, I sometimes forget which side I'm on.


Icarus_Falling
everyman antihero
everyman antihero

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,215
Location: beyond human comprehension

13 Nov 2007, 4:46 pm

nobodyzdream wrote:
lol, that was actually difficult for me to decipher, lol. No clue why-I think the numbers threw me off, lol.

It was interesting to try, but I'm not going to start writing like that; others can make that style work, but it is not for me. I think I actually distracted myself as I was writing like that; paragraphs form small blocks of thought for me, and as I did that line by line, it got really streamy really fast as I jumped from thought to thought. My writings here are typically stream of consciousness, but I see now the problems with setting the packet size too small or too large.

Medium sized paragraphs, like these and the ones I just wrote to Kitsy are what I'll stick with for now.

BTW, I like your art, and especially your poems.

Good fortune,

- Icarus needs help with tattoo design...


_________________
Please forgive me if, in the heat of battle, I sometimes forget which side I'm on.


DeaconBlues
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,661
Location: Earth, mostly

13 Nov 2007, 5:28 pm

Kitsy wrote:
...I wonder if certain writing styles will actually be better rather than dismissing it as reading comprehension.

If that is the case, aspies and adhd should write fantasy, humor, sci-fi, factual data books or biographies in a writing style that would make those who have such difficulties be able to read and remember.

Try Spider Robinson, or most of the works of Robert Heinlein (Stranger In a Strange Land does fall prey to the wall-of-text problem, as does Time Enough For Love, but most of it is in shorter paragraphs).

You know what I like about the writing here? Most of the posters have at least a basic grasp of punctuation. They know a sentence is ended with a period, not with a vague thought that maybe the poster should have put a period there. They also are no strangers to parentheses to set aside a sub-statement in the middle of a sentence. :)


_________________
Sodium is a metal that reacts explosively when exposed to water. Chlorine is a gas that'll kill you dead in moments. Together they make my fries taste good.