In what countries are aspies more likely to pass as normal?

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23 Nov 2007, 9:26 am

Bozzetta, I had a similar experience. However, after a few years living there, they expect you to have grasped and observe all the unspoken rules. You're not tolerated as a foreigner forever.


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23 Nov 2007, 10:12 am

In Finland people speak with only slight changes in intonation, they are normally quite quiet although when inebriated they can get a bit over friendly. I general they are logical, kind, and reasonably generous. It seems to me they value being alone and they are generally self reliant. And they respect privacy and order and cleanliness. At least in Helsinki there are no slums. I don't know about the rest of the country. And there are lots of pets so they like animals.



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23 Nov 2007, 10:20 am

nice to know that germany isn't that bad of a place for aspies. i mean i knew it was better than the US. ive been there for a year (which was a very good experince all in all), but things like having to eat lunch in school together with all the other students and events like prom and homecoming dances almost killed me.

since i was little, i always wanted to move to alaska, and build my own log cabin in the woods were nobody would find me. sadly, that idea isn't very realistc.

does anybody know what Iceland is like? i heard they have a very well running economy now and need people :)



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23 Nov 2007, 10:45 am

I am of German descent and very punctual, fact-oriented and perfectionistic. I used to be a lot more perfectionistic when I was younger and got upset easily if I made a mistake. I have largely overcome this, although if I make a very significant, boneheaded mistake most people wouldn't make, I get very embarrassed.

I think the English tend to be reserved as a whole, but those who don't conform have a hard time fitting in there, too. Roger Bannister, for one, had a hard time fitting in at school because he was more academically motivated than the majority of his classmates and was, by his own description, "dreadful at ballgames." He preferred running to rough sports such as rugby, because he was very tall and thin and lacked strength. He was also pilloried in the British press for following his own agenda by training himself, restricting racing opportunities outside of England and, initially, not using a coach. He eventually sought out the help of Franz Stampfl, who mainly advised Bannister on tactic and encouraged him to work with Chris Brasher and Chris Chataway, who became his best friends.



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23 Nov 2007, 10:53 am

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Germany is a good place to be an Aspie.


I was an exchange student there for a semester, and frequently convinced the natives that I was one of them. I thought that it was just because I spoke the language decently and faked the accent perfectly, but maybe it was my body language too.

Of course, there were just as many times I stood out and/or looked like an ass because I just couldn't pick up on something. I had to almost get run over 6 times by annoyed cyclists before I realized why the third of the sidewalk I'd been walking on was red instead of white.


You should move to Norway then. People stand in the bike lanes (or what there is of them) all the time. Norwegians are completely unaware of others around them so even if you do act "strange", they wont notice and if they do notice, they will pretend like they dont. Also, you get a lot of government help if there is a "condition" that keeps you from being able to work and there are a lot of people on it. You also get a lot of free therapy or whatever you "need" to feel like you function in society. I just got a free computer from the board of education just because im an aspie. The only bad thing is, I have a tendency to talk and talk when Im telling someone something and have a hard time getting to the point without going through every single detail and Norwegians are rude enough that they will just walk away. They also arent very loud people and I have a tendency to shout if Im not paying attention to what Im saying, but at least I know im being heard :)



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23 Nov 2007, 2:19 pm

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I think France and Japan. The Chinese are scarily NT. I mean they are SOLIDly NT and they take that for granted. I agree that the Japanese can spot something different but I have a theory that for some reason Aspies were allowed to form some of their culture. It's the only thing that makes sense. Plus the Japanese ALWAYS listen to me and digest it but more often the Chinese are coated in too many layers of how things have always been and they dismiss me or don't take me seriously. I think the Chinese culture is really NT. The Koreans? I think they are NT in that they are smooth operators but their culture incorporates some aspie traits like blockheadedness. I think the Filipinos are super NT and I think that aspies wouldn't survive long without some special dispensation.

I'm not sure about the Germans. I think they would have dissected us in the camps. I think the English with their eccentrics might be a pro Aspie culture.

I agree about the Japanese penchant for school bullying but I guarantee that in NT Chinese culture, they would do the same thing BUT I think the Japanese style would mean an aspie like me could survive better because a lot of the downfall depends on the target taking the attacks personally and then doing their dirty work for them and that is really unlikely in my case.


Strangely enough, in my graduate program, it's the Korean, Chinese and Japanese international students that are the most accepting of me. They really seem to like me. In fact, next semester, a girl from China is moving in with me and we're going to be roommates.


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23 Nov 2007, 2:21 pm

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I am of German descent and very punctual, fact-oriented and perfectionistic. I used to be a lot more perfectionistic when I was younger and got upset easily if I made a mistake. I have largely overcome this, although if I make a very significant, boneheaded mistake most people wouldn't make, I get very embarrassed.



Ohhh. I'm of German ancestry. Makes you wonder, certainly. Hmmm. :)


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23 Nov 2007, 3:42 pm

i seem to be doing the nomad thing. have moved a lot and lived in 3 states. i can't do the 'know and be known' thing so people get annoyed with me after a while. maybe a motorhome is the way to go.

i think cities are better than small towns, at least one has anonymity in a city.



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24 Nov 2007, 2:16 am

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
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I think France and Japan. The Chinese are scarily NT. I mean they are SOLIDly NT and they take that for granted. I agree that the Japanese can spot something different but I have a theory that for some reason Aspies were allowed to form some of their culture. It's the only thing that makes sense. Plus the Japanese ALWAYS listen to me and digest it but more often the Chinese are coated in too many layers of how things have always been and they dismiss me or don't take me seriously. I think the Chinese culture is really NT. The Koreans? I think they are NT in that they are smooth operators but their culture incorporates some aspie traits like blockheadedness. I think the Filipinos are super NT and I think that aspies wouldn't survive long without some special dispensation.

I'm not sure about the Germans. I think they would have dissected us in the camps. I think the English with their eccentrics might be a pro Aspie culture.

I agree about the Japanese penchant for school bullying but I guarantee that in NT Chinese culture, they would do the same thing BUT I think the Japanese style would mean an aspie like me could survive better because a lot of the downfall depends on the target taking the attacks personally and then doing their dirty work for them and that is really unlikely in my case.


Strangely enough, in my graduate program, it's the Korean, Chinese and Japanese international students that are the most accepting of me. They really seem to like me. In fact, next semester, a girl from China is moving in with me and we're going to be roommates.


Japanese are very courteous to guests yes. Many tourists will remember that. But there is a big difference between visiting as a tourist and living there as a resident.


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24 Nov 2007, 2:26 am

The Japanese have a saying that means "If you stand out from the rest, you'll be destroyed". It's the least accepting of difference culture in the world.


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24 Nov 2007, 3:04 am

Silver_Meteor wrote:
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CeriseLy wrote:
I think France and Japan. The Chinese are scarily NT. I mean they are SOLIDly NT and they take that for granted. I agree that the Japanese can spot something different but I have a theory that for some reason Aspies were allowed to form some of their culture. It's the only thing that makes sense. Plus the Japanese ALWAYS listen to me and digest it but more often the Chinese are coated in too many layers of how things have always been and they dismiss me or don't take me seriously. I think the Chinese culture is really NT. The Koreans? I think they are NT in that they are smooth operators but their culture incorporates some aspie traits like blockheadedness. I think the Filipinos are super NT and I think that aspies wouldn't survive long without some special dispensation.

I'm not sure about the Germans. I think they would have dissected us in the camps. I think the English with their eccentrics might be a pro Aspie culture.

I agree about the Japanese penchant for school bullying but I guarantee that in NT Chinese culture, they would do the same thing BUT I think the Japanese style would mean an aspie like me could survive better because a lot of the downfall depends on the target taking the attacks personally and then doing their dirty work for them and that is really unlikely in my case.


Strangely enough, in my graduate program, it's the Korean, Chinese and Japanese international students that are the most accepting of me. They really seem to like me. In fact, next semester, a girl from China is moving in with me and we're going to be roommates.


Japanese are very courteous to guests yes. Many tourists will remember that. But there is a big difference between visiting as a tourist and living there as a resident.


I should mention that my campus is in Texas. So I'm native (ish) and they're the ones who are the visitors.


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24 Nov 2007, 9:42 am

How about the Netherlands? I'm part Dutch and always thought a lot of my eccentricity was simply due to that side of my heritage. I've also had a few Dutch friends who have always gotten along great with me. Also, a lot of people think the Dutch are just weird, the most vocal of these are the Dutch themselves. They seem to celebrate strangeness and revel in being just a little bit... off.


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24 Nov 2007, 10:04 am

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9CatMom wrote:
I am of German descent and very punctual, fact-oriented and perfectionistic. I used to be a lot more perfectionistic when I was younger and got upset easily if I made a mistake. I have largely overcome this, although if I make a very significant, boneheaded mistake most people wouldn't make, I get very embarrassed.



Ohhh. I'm of German ancestry. Makes you wonder, certainly. Hmmm. :)


For the record, I am ALSO! Of course, at one time pretty recently, about 10% of the U.S. could claim german ties. I would love to know how common the iris ring coloration is though.



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24 Nov 2007, 12:24 pm

Japanese protocol is probably more systematic then westerners. But I assume it can be learnt and remembered systematically. It might give the impression that learning Japanese protocol is difficult.

In Japan even shithouse paper has instructions in how to open it. In Blity you are surpose to use you common sense. But sometime it is hard to understand what common sense is a systematic way. To much things over here are open to miss interpretation because the system is so weak.

Germany and Japan, didn’t they try their luck WWII.



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24 Nov 2007, 12:46 pm

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The Japanese have a saying that means "If you stand out from the rest, you'll be destroyed". It's the least accepting of difference culture in the world.


Ever heard of "Tall Poppy Syndrome"? "Jantelagen"? Most peoples have a saying-or-such with that meaning.


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24 Nov 2007, 1:00 pm

Yes, the saying is about tall poppies.


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