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Are you a Celt or of Celtic ancestry?
Yes 38%  38%  [ 59 ]
Yes 38%  38%  [ 59 ]
No 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
No 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Other/Unsure/etc. 7%  7%  [ 11 ]
Other/Unsure/etc. 7%  7%  [ 11 ]
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29 Aug 2005, 12:51 pm

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Mostly scotch-irish.


Ah, the Scots who lived in Ireland? That is my Scottish heritage when some Scots were sent over to Ulster.


ulster scots doesnt count either. most of them identify themselves as british/anglo saxon


But we're likely talking about genetics and the Ulster Scots were still Scottish and still Scottish blood, even if it is from the Lowlanders.

eamonn, you are more from the Highlands I assume?

The Scots and the Irish are linguistically and ethnically very close to one another. Before the Romans invaded Britain, the British Isles were Celtic, not at all Germanic. In what is now England and Wales lived the Britons—Brythonic peoples who spoke languages closely related to Welsh, Cornish, and Breton (the Celtic language of Brittanny, or in French Bretagne). In Caledonia, north of the Roman provinces of Britain lived the Picts of Pictavia. To the west of Britain was another island: Hibernia, or Ireland. Here lived the ancient Irish, including a tribe the Romans called the Scoti. Some of these Scots lived in what is now Ulster in a kingdom called Dál Riata (Dalriada). These Dalriadians migrated to Caledonia and eventually their kingdom was solely on Caledonian soil. Their kingdom of Dalriada eventually united with the kingdom of Pictavia to form the kingdom of Scotland. Later, Scotland was united with England to form the Kingdom of Great Britain. King James (I think) had some Scots settle in Ulster as he was trying to oppress the Irish; this is where the Protestant population of Northern Ireland came from. These are the Ulster Scots.

Basically, there are three main groups of Celts: Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, and Breton), Goidelic (Irish, Scottish, and Manx from the Isle of Man), and Gallic from continental Europe (nowadays the French, Swiss, Belgians, and other peoples who have become Latinized, Germanicized, and Slavicized). England has a healthy mix of Germanic, Brythonic, Norse, and Roman ancestry mixed in. Germany isn't just German; it also has Slavic and Celtic stock mixed in heavily.



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29 Aug 2005, 1:28 pm

Its strange isn't it?

I've inherited Aspergers apparantly from my Scottish maternal grandfather.

edit: perhaps the whole northern european/red hair thing might suggest a connection to Neanderthal man (http://www.dhamurian.e-gympie.com/anthr ... thal1.html) Imagine for a second two species with different social characteristics interbred. Might the offspring of such a union have difficulty fitting in?



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29 Aug 2005, 1:43 pm

Ever since the early 1990's the United States has been predominantly Irish. Gaelic no longer means the language of the Scots and now means solely the language of the Irish, and Celtic is only those of Irish decent. Welsh, Spanish, French, and anyone else of early Celtic heritage don't even count anymore.

I do not believe that Asperger's Syndrome is a predominantly Irish or Celtic situation. I believe that it is a predominantly Celtic heritage that uses the Internet and speaks English (i.e. United States, Australia, United Kingdom, Canada, etc.) It would be sort of like having a site dedicated to Asperger's Syndrome in Chinese and deducing from the people who post on that board that Asperger's is predominantly a Chinese and Korean thing (I know that Koreans speak Korean, but many speak Chinese as a second language and would therefore be posting more than, say Americans or Sudanese).

Maybe there is something in Celtic genetics which causes Asperger's Syndrome. This site, however, is hardly a scientific sample.


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29 Aug 2005, 5:48 pm

My Ancestery is Scottish, English and Irish.



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29 Aug 2005, 6:36 pm

Well, think about this.... the Neanderthals inhabited the same part of the world that the Celts inhabit today (western and northern europe). It is not unreasonable to believe there is some connection between Neanderthals, Celts, and Aspergers. :wink:

Also consider for a moment that the Celts have the highest prevalence of red hair in the world, especially Scotland which has the world's highest percentage of redheads of any country at about 30%. I think the red hair gene was passed down to humans from neanderthals and I also think the Asperger's condition was likewise passed down.



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29 Aug 2005, 6:41 pm

You might be on to something, Psychlone.

Does anyone know the statistics for people of African or Asian heritage with AS (people who definitely don't have Celtic ancestry)?



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31 Aug 2005, 4:32 pm

Insular Celtic Languages


  • Brythonic Languages
    • Welsh
    • Cornish
    • Breton
  • Goidelic Languages
    • Irish Gaelic
    • Scottish Gaelic
    • Manx Gaelic
Continental Celtic Languages (all extinct)

  • Gaulish (Transalpine Gaul)
  • Lepontic (Cisalpine Gaul)
  • Celtiberian (modern Spain)
  • Galatian (Asia Minor/Anatolia/modern Turkey)



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31 Aug 2005, 5:28 pm

I'm American.

But if you want to trace things back, I have assorted ancestors who were Swedish, English, Scots-Irish, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw, and Cherokee. In probably roughly that order if you want to divide things up. And of course lots of people who were mixed Indian/white at the time that happened in my family would've been claiming to be Choctaw or Cherokee because those were perceived as "better" even though that's a load of BS, so who knows, that was a long time ago.


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01 Sep 2005, 1:13 am

Aww cool! What's with all the Aspie Celts?! I don't know my ancestory, but I have always wanted to be Celtic! A bit of Irish and Welsh blood sounds just the ticket! :lol:


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01 Sep 2005, 7:51 am

100% anglo-saxon - my ancestors came to the east of England from Saxony in the 11th century AD. No celtic ancestry at all that I know of in the last 1000 years, and extensive research has been undertaken.

To the other point that has come up in this thread, my maternal grandmother had red hair, and although mine is brown it has a slight red tint to it.

Red hair is not indicative of Scottish or Irish ancestry, since it is found historically over much of north-western Europe (and further south, Alexander the Great supposedly had red hair), and is as much a common saxon trait as a celtic one. I have heard the theories that the gene descends from neanderthal ancestry. I'm yet to be convinced, personally.



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12 Sep 2005, 1:13 am

Psychlone wrote:
Also consider for a moment that the Celts have the highest prevalence of red hair in the world, especially Scotland which has the world's highest percentage of redheads of any country at about 30%. I think the red hair gene was passed down to humans from neanderthals and I also think the Asperger's condition was likewise passed down.


Good grief, I think I'd rather have the Celtic link than the "missing" link.



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12 Sep 2005, 5:40 am

Here's a thought experiment. AS and autism are known to occur in areas like Silicon Valley with a high concentration of whatever genes make people into good programmers and engineers.

So first ask, what's the cultural distribution of Silicon Valley?


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12 Sep 2005, 8:26 am

Feather wrote:


Red hair is not indicative of Scottish or Irish ancestry, since it is found historically over much of north-western Europe (and further south, Alexander the Great supposedly had red hair), and is as much a common saxon trait as a celtic one. I have heard the theories that the gene descends from neanderthal ancestry. I'm yet to be convinced, personally.


I have read in several places that it does indicate Scots or Irish ancestory. It is most common in Scotland then Ireland.



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12 Sep 2005, 10:29 am

eamonn wrote:
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Red hair is not indicative of Scottish or Irish ancestry, since it is found historically over much of north-western Europe (and further south, Alexander the Great supposedly had red hair), and is as much a common saxon trait as a celtic one. I have heard the theories that the gene descends from neanderthal ancestry. I'm yet to be convinced, personally.


I have read in several places that it does indicate Scots or Irish ancestory. It is most common in Scotland then Ireland.

Wikipedia, not surprisingly, has an article on Red hair, the implication being that we red heads shall inherit the Earth!



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12 Sep 2005, 10:45 am

Never say to a redhead that their hair is ginger or red or you will unwreathe their fiery temper. Somebody in my ex-work mentioned she didnt tan well and i said ginger people generally dont. She seemed annoyed and said "excuse me, i have auburn hair" and walked away. Come to think of it, ginger cats are rather agressive as well. I wonder if there are any studies into it.



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12 Sep 2005, 11:37 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Wikipedia, not surprisingly, has an article on Red hair, the implication being that we red heads shall inherit the Earth!


Viva la revolution
Note to self, stock up on red hair dye...

Anyway way I'm 100% Irish. Never been outside of Ireland for more than a week at a time...