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14 Jan 2008, 3:36 pm

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Yes, people have been eating wheat since the agricultural revolution. But 'processed' foods often do have wheat or gluten hidden in various ways - as malt, maltodextrin, 'food starch' (which could be from wheat), etc. My favorite ingredient is "natural flavors"- which could be just about anything!


My favorite is SOY SAUCE! SOY sauce!! !! THAT has wheat!! !


I know. I was going round the supermarket on sunday trying to find a sauce for my stir fry that doeesn't contain gluten. I gave up.
Mayonaise also contains gluten. So does vinegar.


Mayonaise????? VINEGAR?????

Mayonnaise is supposed to be basically like OIL, eggs, and vinegar!! !! NO GLUTEN

And VINEGAR is JUST what it says! VIN=WINE EGAR=SOUR! So VINEGAR is supposed to be wine that has gone sour. About the only thing one might think relates to gluten is that yeast may come from wheat.

I'm not disputing what you say, but that is NUTS!! !!



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14 Jan 2008, 3:46 pm

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Brown rice is good. I think white rice has all the nutrients stripped out of it with a few replaced with vitamin powder. Brown rice also contains DMG which one group claims makes people less autistic.


Yeah, everyone should eat either wholegrain or basmati rice. White rice tastes boring, also it is high GI which means it gives you a sugar high, then you crash. Useless!! !

Sadly I can't find wholegrain gluten free pasta anywhere :cry:


Try quinoa - it's actually seed, not a grain, and it's gluten free and tastes AMAZING. It's like... ohhhh om nom nom nom. You boil it (the slower the better) until the 'centre' separates from the outer husk and it's like a disc with a white inner and a yellow outer and it puffs up about 3 times its size and it's just like ohhh good good good.


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14 Jan 2008, 3:46 pm

Malt vinegar is the big offender when it comes to gluten in vinegar - grain is sprouted (malted) to convert the starches to sugars. The sugars are fermented to alcohol, and the alcohol is fermented to vinegar. If you get apple cider vinegar, no gluten. If you get distilled vinegar, no gluten.

Beer is also a big source of gluten - unless it is brewed from sorghum (A-Busch now has Redbridge, which is gluten free).



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14 Jan 2008, 4:36 pm

monty wrote:
Malt vinegar is the big offender when it comes to gluten in vinegar - grain is sprouted (malted) to convert the starches to sugars. The sugars are fermented to alcohol, and the alcohol is fermented to vinegar. If you get apple cider vinegar, no gluten. If you get distilled vinegar, no gluten.

Beer is also a big source of gluten - unless it is brewed from sorghum (A-Busch now has Redbridge, which is gluten free).


Yeah, I was thinking of apple cider vinegar. MALT has gluten, so malt vinegar may(You wouldn't think distilled would).

Beer is almost a given. It has a couple grains that have gluten, and there are various components left in. If you remove those components, it would pretty much destroy the beer.



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20 Jan 2008, 10:29 pm

sarahstilettos wrote:
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Gluten has little to do with processed food. In fact, even the earliest parts of the bible speak about wheat, though I don't think they had "processed" food back then.


Yes, people have been eating wheat since the agricultural revolution. But 'processed' foods often do have wheat or gluten hidden in various ways - as malt, maltodextrin, 'food starch' (which could be from wheat), etc. My favorite ingredient is "natural flavors"- which could be just about anything!


My favorite is SOY SAUCE! SOY sauce!! !! THAT has wheat!! !


I know. I was going round the supermarket on sunday trying to find a sauce for my stir fry that doeesn't contain gluten. I gave up.
Mayonaise also contains gluten. So does vinegar.


Yes, it is very difficult to stay gluten-free is you are not aware of all the ways gluten can be hidden in your food. I think that even glucose can come from wheat. Does anybody know of a site where all the possible sources of gluten are listed? Misleading things like the maltodextrin or glucose or vinegar?



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20 Jan 2008, 10:36 pm

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There is a mayonaise that is free from both gluten and soy oil (another common problem). I forget the brand but it is one of the big companies and it says "Canola Oil" in big letters on the front of the label.

Most soy sauce does contain wheat. PF Changs restaurant chain has a 'gluten-free' menu, but they apparently aren't aware of the gluten in soy sauce, because my wife got all the usual symptoms and her body temperature dropped several degrees after she ate there.

There are some soy sauces that are gluten free. It is also possible to get miso (soy paste) that contains no wheat or barley (just soy and rice). We have had to go to health food stores to get these.


The brand of the mayonnaise is Spectrum, it tastes really good, my son loves it. Regarding PF Chang, it is better to be careful with their gluten-free or dairy-free menus, we ate there and my son got severe stomach issues. Sstill, I think that it is great that they are trying to accomodate people with this issues. Maybe it is not even the menus or recipes but cross-contamination at the kitchen with the utensils and stuff.



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20 Jan 2008, 11:16 pm

monty wrote:
Most soy sauce does contain wheat. PF Changs restaurant chain has a 'gluten-free' menu, but they apparently aren't aware of the gluten in soy sauce, because my wife got all the usual symptoms and her body temperature dropped several degrees after she ate there.


WOW, A lower body temp is a symptom? I tend to have a lower body temp, and LOVE wheat products.(Of course, rice and oatmeal can be AT LEAST as good!)



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20 Jan 2008, 11:45 pm

We have been gluten/casein free since the end of Nov. I have to say that all of us seem a lot better off.
Interesting point about the probiotics, though, Zendell. Can you list some of the foods that have those or where you get them? And lekiwi, can you tell me exactly how to cook quinoa? My friend said to sprout it first, but I don't like the way it looks like that with the little curly thing on it.

These have been our results from the GFCF diet so far:
My husband, who has always been super low energy and very unaware of his surroundings, suddenly woke up and started interacting with the human race. He started playing games with our son, coming up with plans for what we could all do as a family on the weekends, even taking out the trash when it got full instead of letting it overflow for 2 or 3 days. May not sound like much, but if you knew my husband, you would see that it is incredibly huge!

I get a lot less stressed out about stuff since going on the diet. I used to get really stuck on all the things that were going wrong in our family. Now everything seems suddenly a lot better. I even wrote a thread a month or so ago contemplating divorce, and it feels like I was in a completely different relationship then.

The biggest thing is that our son is doing fabulously. In the last 2 weeks, 4 of his therapists and teachers have stopped me or stayed late looking for me to tell me how much our son has changed since coming back from winter break. The APE teacher, his OT, and both his classroom teachers are all in shock at how he is suddenly speaking and participating in class, how his coordination and balance have improved, and how effortlessly he completes tasks without getting distracted by every little motion or noise in the room. The supervisor of his behavior therapist's jaw literally dropped when she saw him on Friday, because she hasn't seen him in two months and now he is a completely different child.

So I really do plug the diet. I tried taking my son off of dairy only in October, and I did see an increase in energy, but not behavior overall, like I did when we took out the gluten as well. And also a note, I still used regular soy sauce and spices, which I heard had gluten in them, but I guess the amounts were so small that it didn't make a difference because we still saw great results.



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21 Jan 2008, 2:13 pm

GFCF I think/hypotehsize is all about candida or yeast overgrowth in the system.
Anyone ever heard of the Body Ecology Diet? It was totally not about Autism, but it's benefits are the same as GFCF and the recoveries you all described perfectly match those of people relieved of Candida.
The Body Ecology Diet (memory?) starts you out on a restricted diet to get rid of
yeast/other overgrowths. You cut out all cereal grains (Gluten), or any starch that COULD be converted into a sugar. Since they identify sugar as feeding the yeast, you consequently cut out all forms or precursors to sugar. Stevia is safe to use.

You also cut out fermented products and dairy, excepting probiotic yogurt.
Good foods: vegetables, meats, anything else not in the above, and some fruits.
The point is to spend some time 6-10 weeks on the restricted diet to starve off and skill the candida. Then you gradually reintroduce the other foods and watch for symptoms.

When I went GFCF I experienced withdrawal, but after a week, had more even energy, woke up without an alarm, and felt "new".

Previous Diet mods:
3 or more months on Coromega: Omega 3 Fish Oil. tasty Orange or Lime, no fishy taste. I believe it alleviated the more ADD type symptoms. Tasks/Planning improved. Thinking was more sharp.

Gluten Free Diet: I went totally GFCF for a couple of weeks, but retreated back into minor casein use: coffee creamer, yogurt, small bits of cheese, nutrition bars with whey
Day 10, Oct 25 2007: regression and withdrawal breakdown. I've never been addicted to drugs (maybe caffeine and nicotine), but from what I've read, leaving gluten must be similar. I was feeling very anxious and grumpy. Ride the wave out though. I did and things improved. I notice more energy, less dark circles, a more even mood and better communication.

After being GF for a couple of weeks, you instantly FEEL gluten if it enters your system automatically. It is akin to being slightly zoned or buzzed.



I've been taking Carnosine for about 2 weeks: It has accelerated my improvements.
I can't separate it's effects from my previous diet and changes, but within a few days of taking it, I enjoyed immediate improvements in social interactions. I was more casual and associative; I enjoyed small talk. Facial expressions were very natural and it was like a door to the NT world had been opened. I smiled easy and others responded positively.


Carnosine was a gift. In the past I had noticed a better feeling after eating good quality red meat, but I did not want to consume mass quantities of meat to naturally produce Carnosine in my body. The body can make Carnosine, but we would have to literally eat like Neanderthals to reap the effects.

Since finding and starting Carnosine, I have been able to reintroduce small bits of gluten without having a reaction or zoning out. Gluten still has some effect, I will avoid it, but I'm not frightened or overly picky about checking every ingredient now. I do recommend upping the meat with kids, and come down on the gluten. The farming industry is out to farm the nation. They want us to believe that we need to eat lots of cereal grains and dairy products: Don't. Meats, Vegetables and Fruits are vital!

It seems we all benefit on a more paleolithic diet. I believe the answer is in killing and inhibiting yeast growth via diet and addition of probiotics, Omega 3 fish oil and DHA, and Carnosine . Our ancestors bodies probably consumed more beneficial bacteria, fish oil, and carnosine rich meat, but our modern age system doesn't provide enough for our throwback systems.



Links:
http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/ ... osine.html
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~autism/Research/FattyAcids.doc
Or Google HTML version:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:k2 ... cd=5&gl=us



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21 Jan 2008, 4:04 pm

laplantain wrote:
And also a note, I still used regular soy sauce and spices, which I heard had gluten in them, but I guess the amounts were so small that it didn't make a difference because we still saw great results.


Yeah, I notice the same thing. I think you have to get enough for it to become a problem. Apparently, a few cookies can be enough, but minor seasonings really aren't. Then again, the differences can seem subtle. Try to remember something. I find it FAR easier if I haven't had gluten for a while, even though I may think that I really feel no different.



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21 Jan 2008, 4:25 pm

I have been on the Atkins diet for a while and low carb beer was my last holdout.

I don't look to food as fun or recreation. Its for nutrition and to keep me alive.

Being obsessive and easily overwhelmed I found that limiting my diet was nice and stress relieving.

I eat the same things everyday but so does a dog, he still wags his tail at suppertime.

I eat celery, unroasted sunflower seeds, mozerella cheese, eggs, steak, pork chops, mayonaise, mustard, soy sauce, organic teas, vitamin b 12, cardio health vitamins

What should I cut out?

Also I take meds which in themselves mess up my concentration. I'm afaid NOT to.



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21 Jan 2008, 4:46 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
laplantain wrote:
And also a note, I still used regular soy sauce and spices, which I heard had gluten in them, but I guess the amounts were so small that it didn't make a difference because we still saw great results.


Yeah, I notice the same thing. I think you have to get enough for it to become a problem. Apparently, a few cookies can be enough, but minor seasonings really aren't. Then again, the differences can seem subtle. Try to remember something. I find it FAR easier if I haven't had gluten for a while, even though I may think that I really feel no different.


The rule I have is that I don't worry about contamination issues, but I do cut out everything that has gluten in an ingrediant, however little. I have heard that when you cut gluten out, accidentally eating it can be pretty disasterous, (eg. baaad stomach cramps if you were mainly doing it for your digestive system, major meltdowns if taking it up for your autism).



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21 Jan 2008, 7:41 pm

sarahstilettos wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
laplantain wrote:
And also a note, I still used regular soy sauce and spices, which I heard had gluten in them, but I guess the amounts were so small that it didn't make a difference because we still saw great results.


Yeah, I notice the same thing. I think you have to get enough for it to become a problem. Apparently, a few cookies can be enough, but minor seasonings really aren't. Then again, the differences can seem subtle. Try to remember something. I find it FAR easier if I haven't had gluten for a while, even though I may think that I really feel no different.


The rule I have is that I don't worry about contamination issues, but I do cut out everything that has gluten in an ingrediant, however little. I have heard that when you cut gluten out, accidentally eating it can be pretty disasterous, (eg. baaad stomach cramps if you were mainly doing it for your digestive system, major meltdowns if taking it up for your autism).


Carnosine is starting to enable me to recover from a gluten spike after an hour or so. I actually ate a Bison Biscuit the other night to not much effect on me. Otherwise mostly GF for 3 months... messed up and had dressing on Thanksgiving.

I went GF around the beginning of Oct, 2007
I had my first oatmeal since then on Jan 19. Still fine.

I also had beer for the first time since then just last week.

I believe my biggest enemy is processed wheat; the less the better. Carnosine has helped, but I still feel mildly sluggish if I do ingest too much Gluten now. Casein? If I have too much in one load (ice cream, shakes), I just feel spacey and very ADD.

I'd like to hear from more folks who are trying Carnosine. I will still downplay gluten in my diet, but I'm thankful I now have the freedom to eat it from time to time without messing up a GF diet.