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28 Jan 2008, 6:32 am

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I have, I think, taken every online test available. If you scroll just past halfway down this page, you will find them (with links to the testing sites):

http://narrative.neurelitism.com


symbolically interestingly the link came up a blank page

how aspic is that


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28 Jan 2008, 10:20 am

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Does anyone know of any good tests that don't rely on self evaluation? I happened to see an autistic "theory of mind" test in a bargain book on brain differences this weekend, but they spelled out the answer before giving the question, so I don't know what I would have answered. I tried the eye/emotion test linked earlier, and I got a high-average 28 even though looking at the eyes gave me a headache :)

I know too much now about what I'm "supposed" to answer on self-evals, but I'm looking to see where my weaknesses are in interpreting emotions. Are theory of mind tests any good? Any good perceptual tests out there?


Could you retype the Theory of Mind test for us on Wrong Planet?



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28 Jan 2008, 11:53 am

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Could you retype the Theory of Mind test for us on Wrong Planet?


Not sure if this is the one you have in mind:

http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/Faces/EyesTest.aspx


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28 Jan 2008, 12:08 pm

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symbolically interestingly the link came up a blank page

how aspic is that


Sorry. I could not access the server for much of the day either. Apparently, Easyspace was doing some maintenance. However, the link works now:


http://narrative.neurelitism.com


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28 Jan 2008, 1:37 pm

Lol, I scored a 13 on the face reading test. :[
"If you score below a 22 you find this quite difficult."



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28 Jan 2008, 1:47 pm

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Lol, I scored a 13 on the face reading test. :[
"If you score below a 22 you find this quite difficult."
I scored 25... Apparently I'm good at recognizing these pictures... However I rarely see anyone make these "readable" expressions in real life... Strange huh?



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28 Jan 2008, 1:53 pm

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Lol, I scored a 13 on the face reading test. :[
"If you score below a 22 you find this quite difficult."
I scored 25... Apparently I'm good at recognizing these pictures... However I rarely see anyone make these "readable" expressions in real life... Strange huh?

Strange. I hardly make eye contact though, unless they're not looking at me. I recognise voice instead of emotion - I find it much easier.
I also scored 187 on the rdos.com quiz, though.



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28 Jan 2008, 2:33 pm

I'm a female, and my Baron-Cohen test results are:

Mind in the eyes: 23 (22-30 = average)

Empathy quotient: 17 (0-32 = low. Most people with AS or autism score about 20)

Systemizing quotient:40 (40-50 = above average. Most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score in this range)

Autism Spectrum Quotient test = 39 (32 - 50 is very high. Most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 35)



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28 Jan 2008, 4:01 pm

The only valid test for Aspergers is a professional neuropsychological evaluation. The online tests are not valid for anything, but entertainment purposes. Like someone else said someone with severe depression, bi-polar, ADHD, anxiety, personality disorders, brain damage, Rhett's Syndrome and PTSD will also score high on the online AS tests.



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28 Jan 2008, 4:47 pm

Empathy quotient:18
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28 Jan 2008, 6:47 pm

nominalist wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Could you retype the Theory of Mind test for us on Wrong Planet?


Not sure if this is the one you have in mind:

http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/Faces/EyesTest.aspx


No, I was talking about the test that Hypermorphic saw in a used book.

Which, does give me an idea--maybe I could check out the public library for psycho tests.



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28 Jan 2008, 8:49 pm

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No, I was talking about the test that Hypermorphic saw in a used book.

Which, does give me an idea--maybe I could check out the public library for psycho tests.


Sorry, pandabear, long day at work :) I was hoping to find the exact wording or Look Inside the Book, but I fail.. The test was a short paragraph similar to this:

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A man decides to take his girlfriend to a expensive French restaurant for her birthday. They make a reservation well in advance and get dressed up for the occasion, but when they arrive, they have a long wait for their table, the waiter is extremely rude, and their food arrives cold. The woman says to the man, "Why, isn't this a fine restaurant you took me to on my birthday!"

Is what the woman said true? (with an implied "why?")


According to the book, the average NT would respond that her statement is untrue because she is being sarcastic, while an autistic person would be more likely to say that it was untrue but she was trying to spare man's feelings. They had the answer first in the book, so I don't know how I would have interpreted it, but (for accuracy's sake) my first thought after reading it with a sarcastic expectation was "what a b***h, she should have spared the man's feelings instead of complaining about it" :) Perhaps it does betray a difference in social philosophy still. Would an NT assume that either: 1. She expected that the man was equally annoyed, 2. She expected that the man would assume it was outside of his control and not be offended, 3. She really was a b***h and didn't care about the man's feelings? ;) ** edit 4. She gave him the magic NT I-appreciate-what-you-did-for-me-but-I-really-need-to-vent-in-a-non-offensive-way-and-not-be-construed-as-mean-to-you-or-the-people-around-us look :D

Perhaps after years of offending people we become overly sensitive to the effect that our literal words have on other people? I was surprised by how much such a simple test made me think and was hoping someone knew of more. It seems to me to be more reliable than self evaluation as well, since it seems difficult to "cheat" at.

There was another visual perception test that I could probably find or create in Photoshop if you're interested.

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Hmm.. did some searching and doesn't look like this line of testing ever gets beyond extreme basics. Maybe there are other ways to test for hard-wired perceptual differences..



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28 Jan 2008, 9:14 pm

I scored a 148 on the Aspie test. I'm surprised at how much all the things I thought in my life were normal point to Aspie.



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29 Jan 2008, 2:00 am

If I remember, my scores are

Aspie-Quiz- somewhere between 130-140
AQ test: 33
EQ: 20
SQ: Can't remember, but it was very high.

I did a test for AS in childhood based on my childhood behaviour; the cut-off for AS etc was 15 or above, I scored 21.


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29 Jan 2008, 5:37 pm

I was unable to bring up the first test on my computer. Maybe the site has changed, or it is undergoing alterations.
But, I took the Baron-Cohen test and scored very high--a 44!!
Of course, this is not a good thing, from an Asperger point of view. I guess it means that I even more Aspie-ish than I thought, even though I have never been diagnosed.



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29 Jan 2008, 10:11 pm

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Sorry, pandabear, long day at work :) I was hoping to find the exact wording or Look Inside the Book, but I fail.. The test was a short paragraph similar to this:

Quote:
A man decides to take his girlfriend to a expensive French restaurant for her birthday. They make a reservation well in advance and get dressed up for the occasion, but when they arrive, they have a long wait for their table, the waiter is extremely rude, and their food arrives cold. The woman says to the man, "Why, isn't this a fine restaurant you took me to on my birthday!"

Is what the woman said true? (with an implied "why?")


According to the book, the average NT would respond that her statement is untrue because she is being sarcastic, while an autistic person would be more likely to say that it was untrue but she was trying to spare man's feelings. They had the answer first in the book, so I don't know how I would have interpreted it, but (for accuracy's sake) my first thought after reading it with a sarcastic expectation was "what a b***h, she should have spared the man's feelings instead of complaining about it" :) Perhaps it does betray a difference in social philosophy still. Would an NT assume that either: 1. She expected that the man was equally annoyed, 2. She expected that the man would assume it was outside of his control and not be offended, 3. She really was a b***h and didn't care about the man's feelings? ;) ** edit 4. She gave him the magic NT I-appreciate-what-you-did-for-me-but-I-really-need-to-vent-in-a-non-offensive-way-and-not-be-construed-as-mean-to-you-or-the-people-around-us look :D

Perhaps after years of offending people we become overly sensitive to the effect that our literal words have on other people? I was surprised by how much such a simple test made me think and was hoping someone knew of more. It seems to me to be more reliable than self evaluation as well, since it seems difficult to "cheat" at.

There was another visual perception test that I could probably find or create in Photoshop if you're interested.

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Hmm.. did some searching and doesn't look like this line of testing ever gets beyond extreme basics. Maybe there are other ways to test for hard-wired perceptual differences..


Hmmm....

If you didn't have the word "girlfriend" in there, then I would take this to mean that the couple didn't know each other very well, and she was simply doing her best to express appreciation at least for the effort.

My wife of 18 years would just tell me straight out that she didn't like it--not bother pretending.

Since this is a "girlfriend", meaning that they do have a relationship, and she would have no particular reason to spare his feelings on this (i.e., it certainly wouldn't be something to break up over), I would take the comment as sarcastic.

But, maybe some people expect rude service and cold food in expensive restaurants.