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15 Feb 2008, 6:52 pm

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An old American Heritage dictionary I have from 1969 defines autism as the following:

A form of childhood schizophrenia characterized by acting out and withdrawl. In this sense, also called "infantile autism."

This was interesting given your comment.


Yep, well that definition is based on the DSM-II, which came out in 1968:

295.8* Schizophrenia, childhood type*
This category is for cases in which schizophrenic symptoms appear before puberty. The condition may be manifested by autistic, atypical, and withdrawn behavior; failure to develop identity separate from the mother's; and general unevenness, gross immaturity and inadequacy in development. These developmental defects may result in mental retardation, which should also be diagnosed.
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/DSMPDF/dsm-ii.pdf

"Infantile" autism (including what we now call Asperger's) was considered a symptom of childhood schizophrenia.


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15 Feb 2008, 11:27 pm

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It is based on a Platonic, essentialistic notion of human nature that nearly everybody subscribes to unquestionably but I consider to be nonsense. Each person has their own DNA and own life experiences and thus there are as many "human natures" as there are people. Species, such as humans, do not have essential natures, a species is a collection of genetically unique individuals that can interbreed with each other


Cool, a fellow nominalist. :-)


That I am, thanks in part to reading various books by the late evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr. According to Mayr Darwin's most important contribution was demolishing the notion of species as "types" with an "essential nature," a notion which itself was major contributor of the resistance to the theory of natural selection among many biologists until as late as the 1930s (there were many paleontologists in the 1930s that were saltationists and/or thought evolution was teleological). I soon realized that this didn't apply to just biology, but to a lot of other things as well.


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15 Feb 2008, 11:54 pm

Odin wrote:
That I am, thanks in part to reading various books by the late evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr. According to Mayr Darwin's most important contribution was demolishing the notion of species as "types" with an "essential nature," a notion which itself was major contributor of the resistance to the theory of natural selection among many biologists until as late as the 1930s (there were many paleontologists in the 1930s that were saltationists and/or thought evolution was teleological). I soon realized that this didn't apply to just biology, but to a lot of other things as well.


Also, Darwin rescued natural selection from Spencer's reified survival of the fittest.

For what it's worth, I operate a large nominalist website:

http://structurization.com

Here is another good one (if you are not already familiar with it):

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspa ... ntents.htm


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16 Feb 2008, 1:02 am

To clarify, MD's see us as healthy people. They deal with all people, and we are not the worst by far.

We are not criminals, our legal position is good citizen.

So along comes this storefront religion, Psychology, it is not medicine, nor science, it is a con. It is a 1960's new Degree, and by the record, they were wrong then, and in every period since then.

People who MD's would call healthy, the law would call good citizen, were doped with Thorizine, and locked away without trial or appeal, because Psychology said so.

This was the work of lying sciopaths seeking power.

Why is there no Scientific record? Because there never was one.

If they could have passed math and science, they would not have gone into Psychology.

This con has been based on psychobabble all the way, and until now.

They are the ones who turned parents and teachers against us.

The latest from Attwood and a few others is people who process information slightly differently.

Everything else is nothing but a reaction to a world that treats us like we were not human, and have no rights, because Psychology said so.

My original Dx was Demonic Possession. 1950's. My self Dx was Scorpio Biker Syndrome. I bought my first in 1960.

Through the 60's, 70's, each new crop of Psych Majors thought I was fair game, for they had learned about people like me, from books, written ten or twenty years before, and they all thought that they should medicate and control me, for that is what the Psych book said.

They saw their role in life as controlling people like me, strangely I met most of them because I fixed VWs, and they were real mechanical idiots. They would try out their school book role, and I would demand that the pay in cash, before I fixed it. They would tell me that was not the way the world worked, and I would tell them to go to the world.

I was the best, my good customers loved me, word spread, and this type showed up, manioulators, they were going to make my life stressful, they had a degree in Psychology, and I had grease on my hands, and was obviously mentally deficiant. If I fixed their car they would take it for a test drive and never come back to pay. So I refused.

They had gone to con school, for that is why people go into Psychology, and they freaked. They tried everything, and I still refused, and told them to leave. I have seen them come apart, and I know what is inside. It is ugly.

Psychology is an offshoot of Psychological Warefare, mind control. First they have to convince you you are wrong, then play you against yourself. They threatened me with the police, with being locked up in a mental institution, because I would not work on their car without payment in advance. Then I refused to do it at all, then told them to leave.

So having seen them in other worlds, playing their Psychology, I know the type well.

Our exchange went something like, you need a new coil and voltage regulator, the heads torqued, valves adjusted, and a tuneup and oil change. Then they would tell me they did not need a coil and voltage regulator, and I would say fine, take it somewhere else. Then they would demand I tell them what and where the coil and voltage regulator were. I said take it somewhere else, now.

They seem to have issues with rejection, and a need to dominate through lying. They could not just shutup and go away. They had to be in control, even when they were not. I heard a lot.

I was called a lot of psychobabble names. The names change every decade, but not the basic idea of controling the minds of others.

Back then they had made the rounds of psych wards, and seen people just like me, labeled Schizophrenic, and given massive doses of Thorizine. My good customers told me they went around telling people I was a dangerous schizophrenic, and claiming they had taken their car and left, for I was crazy and dangerous.

Somebody is dangerous.

How is it that there are no real numbers?

I can agree with the point that when anything becomes an impairment, something should be done.

I cannot agree with the idea that non impaired people can be labeled.

From my own life, I would say that ten times the numbers mentioned are autistic, and better than 90% function well in the world.

Most of the other 10% I would attribute to treatment.

Psychology learned brain washing from the North Koreans. Drugs, electroshock, being told that everything you do, think, say, for years, on children, will have an affect.

14 years, no Science, no numbers, and a lot of propaganda.

I would say it is in all people, and 3 to 6 percent manifest traits.

Most are sucessful humans. It is a personality, a fairly common human type.

As a group, I see talent, drive, a lot of people in education, science, mechanics, invention, music, so real numbers, a true view of the group, and the lies and propaganda could no longer support our treatment. I am often treated like I have no rights, and I am defective, crazy, dangerous, and I know where it comes from. I have been isolated from life because of Psychology.

My income has been lower, I have suffered more crime, because of that label.

My basic human right to peaceful enjoyment of life has been attacked.

No person shall be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property, without due process of law.

We are being labled like Witches were, and Psychology is the Witch hunter.



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16 Feb 2008, 1:06 am

I think a lot of NTs have issues with TOM. I think a lot of it is BS too.


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16 Feb 2008, 1:25 am

Inventor, it is no surprise that the elite of our society seek to control the scientists, the engineers, the programmers, the innovators, the mechanics, the mathematicians... Indeed, these are a large portion of the individuals that threaten the status quo and can invoke change in society.



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19 Feb 2008, 2:25 pm

I was a psych major in college because I was "messed-up",suicidal depressed and thought if I could fix myself I might be able to help others fix themselves(yeah,I was also bad at math and loved science but had no memory for it and worse spelling).


I have seen many examples of "messed-up" people who go into the field of psychology.Many jump through the hoops of traditional theories of psychology and "think" themselves fixed...then make a lot of money convincing patients that they can fix them as well.Statistics show otherwise....the same # of individuals improve through "chemical intervention,therepy and neither but just "time"...who else could sell a product with such poor results?....(step right up folks...here's a pill that has the same odds of helping you as taking nothing at all...and you can buy one here for $150 a pop)

Do some people "like" going to someone and spilling their guts,crying,yelling to someone who basically is paid to agree with them and encourage their outbursts...yep.Those are the big fans of psychology...those of us who have no one else who lets us whine about our pain and be the center of attention for an hour...whats not to love about that?The meds?I doubt I would be alive with out them but not because I am chemically "inbalanced" but because I live in a world that is a sensory nightmare to me and I can see how insane humans are...both of those realitites create anxiety and depression.....The drugs dont "fix-me" but are chemical blinders and sensory dampers that allow me to live in a hostile environment.I am no more broken then a polar bear transported to the rain-forest.


When it comes to mind blindness...no one can compete with the psychologists who are supposed to be "treating us".For all their theories about our sensory experiences...they can no more crawl into my head/skin and live it then I can them.


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