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demoluca
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28 Feb 2008, 10:46 pm

syndrome?disorder?

WHO CARES!


as long was we know who we are it doesn't really matter if anyone else does..


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28 Feb 2008, 10:58 pm

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a rose by any other name would smell as sweet - Shakespeare...;)


/thread. Semantics, 4tl.


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28 Feb 2008, 11:04 pm

I'm partial to virulently contagious. Like Ebola, but better and more lethal. Yes, that's us. heh heh heh.


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28 Feb 2008, 11:15 pm

Its both but people preferred Asperger's Syndrome over Disorder anyway.


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29 Feb 2008, 7:45 am

Mum2ASDboy wrote:
My thoughts on this.
Why is it called Asperger's Syndrome but ASD is Autistic Spectrum Disorder???????


Ah, that got me thinking. I had to look it up and found out that:

Official labels:

DSM-IV: 299.00 Autistic disorder
but
ICD-10: F.84.1 Childhood autism

So 'autistic disorder/autism spectrum disorder' are variants of the DSM-IV label.



Figured this is interesting.

In the ICD-10:

Recognised as the same condition as childhood autism are:

autistic disorder
infantile autism
infantile psychosis
Kanner's syndrome

For AS it's also:

autistic psychopathy
schizoid disorder of childhood


I suppose this applies to those who were once diagnosed under these labels years before/who were diagnosed by use of the DSM-IV today. So that people know it's 'AS' or 'childhood autism' these days in the ICD-10.



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29 Feb 2008, 7:50 am

I think autistic psychopathy is different. It is an outmoded term that is not used anymore. Nowadays Psychopathy is used to term the brain disorder (syndrome?) which is marked by a lack of caring about people's feelings- a different part of the brain is effected than with autism and AS- different disorder.

Psychopaths can be socially adept, or on the spectrum- either or.


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29 Feb 2008, 8:11 am

zen_mistress wrote:
I think autistic psychopathy is different. It is an outmoded term that is not used anymore. Nowadays Psychopathy is used to term the brain disorder (syndrome?) which is marked by a lack of caring about people's feelings- a different part of the brain is effected than with autism and AS- different disorder.

Psychopaths can be socially adept, or on the spectrum- either or.


I meant that autistic psychopathy was once used to describe people with AS, long before the term 'Asperger's Syndrome' came into existence and because it is outdated, it won't be diagnosed as such any more, but instead as AS. But, I do think there may still people around who once got the 'autistic psychopathy' diagnosis and thus it's printed down in the ICD-10 to confirm that they would have to be re-labelled/so that professionals actually know what they're dealing with.



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29 Feb 2008, 10:27 pm

"Autistic Psykopathy" was the original term "Im Deutsch" used by Hans Asperger.

In German "Psykopathy" is still a term that just means "psychological disorder" as it once did in English. So that the term "Autistic Psykopathy" is still in fairly common useage in the German speaking world, though, as Lorna Wing transcribed rather than translated Hans Asperger's original concept it would be hard to assess whether it means exactly the same thing these days.

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01 Mar 2008, 12:09 am

The ICD-10 calls it Asperger's syndrome. In the DSM-IV-TR nomenclature, just about every disorder ends with "disorder" whether that's how it's commonly known or not.



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01 Mar 2008, 12:17 am

NeantHumain wrote:
The ICD-10 calls it Asperger's syndrome. In the DSM-IV-TR nomenclature, just about every disorder ends with "disorder" whether that's how it's commonly known or not.


See? We are, as I said, entropically favored. Disorder is a state of Entropy.

NTs are just jealous because entropy likes us better. The Lab Pet is entropically 'disordered.'


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01 Mar 2008, 1:06 am

They both mean the same thing to me. :/


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01 Mar 2008, 1:21 am

Bluesummers wrote:
digger1 wrote:
show of hands: How many women here don't like to be called "sir" or "mister" or "man"?


Hell, you can call me Princess if you want.


I'll remember that ;)


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01 Mar 2008, 7:26 am

mechanima wrote:
"Autistic Psykopathy" was the original term "Im Deutsch" used by Hans Asperger.

In German "Psykopathy" is still a term that just means "psychological disorder" as it once did in English. So that the term "Autistic Psykopathy" is still in fairly common useage in the German speaking world, though, as Lorna Wing transcribed rather than translated Hans Asperger's original concept it would be hard to assess whether it means exactly the same thing these days.

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It's 'autistische Psychopathie' actually. He called us 'autistische Psychopathen' in his work. But not at all in use in Germany any more. Only 'Asperger-Syndrome' and 'Asperger-Autismus'.

German 'Psychopathie' is the equivalent of English 'psychopathy' and not used in any other meaning today.



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01 Mar 2008, 7:31 am

demoluca wrote:
syndrome?disorder?

WHO CARES!



O RLY? next time I see a woman i'll call her a hole. i wonder if she'll care. :roll: