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07 Mar 2008, 6:35 pm

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i almost thought you said lets send him some aspie food :lol:
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yes we can also do that..food whith ritalin and others in it :P i bet he will start to stim etc :twisted:


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07 Mar 2008, 6:54 pm

Aspie food with ritalin will do nothing except make him completely mellow and reasonable to deal with. He's severe ADHD.

Okay, to address the comment that it doesn't seem like stalking....It's every website and forum that I've posted on. Every forum he tracks me down on. Every forum, I start getting emails on my personal email telling me he's found me again. Every forum gets drug into court to try to prove that I'm crazy somehow. Every forum. Not just one. Not just here. Every one. Did I mention it's every where?

I guess also you need to know that he is a complete control freak that has made it his life's work to control every aspect of my life. Even though we've been divorced for nearly 10 years. He also makes his stalking look like my fault when I try to retaliate with restraining orders. The law does not understand cyber stalking. He drags me to court for every little thing. Those of you who actually know about abusers understand that this is another form of abuse because they can't hit you anymore. It's about power and control.

I've gotten lots of input. Some has been helpful. Thanks for the support.


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07 Mar 2008, 7:00 pm

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Aspie food with ritalin will do nothing except make him completely mellow and reasonable to deal with. He's severe ADHD.

Okay, to address the comment that it doesn't seem like stalking....It's every website and forum that I've posted on. Every forum he tracks me down on. Every forum, I start getting emails on my personal email telling me he's found me again. Every forum gets drug into court to try to prove that I'm crazy somehow. Every forum. Not just one. Not just here. Every one. Did I mention it's every where?

I guess also you need to know that he is a complete control freak that has made it his life's work to control every aspect of my life. Even though we've been divorced for nearly 10 years. He also makes his stalking look like my fault when I try to retaliate with restraining orders. The law does not understand cyber stalking. He drags me to court for every little thing. Those of you who actually know about abusers understand that this is another form of abuse because they can't hit you anymore. It's about power and control.

I've gotten lots of input. Some has been helpful. Thanks for the support.


I feel for you. :( I'm also being cyber stalked here (they hacked into my computer so they even read all my PMs) and harassed in real life so I get a little of what you're saying.


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07 Mar 2008, 8:59 pm

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Aspie food with ritalin will do nothing except make him completely mellow and reasonable to deal with. He's severe ADHD.

Okay, to address the comment that it doesn't seem like stalking....It's every website and forum that I've posted on. Every forum he tracks me down on. Every forum, I start getting emails on my personal email telling me he's found me again. Every forum gets drug into court to try to prove that I'm crazy somehow. Every forum. Not just one. Not just here. Every one. Did I mention it's every where?

I guess also you need to know that he is a complete control freak that has made it his life's work to control every aspect of my life. Even though we've been divorced for nearly 10 years. He also makes his stalking look like my fault when I try to retaliate with restraining orders. The law does not understand cyber stalking. He drags me to court for every little thing. Those of you who actually know about abusers understand that this is another form of abuse because they can't hit you anymore. It's about power and control.

I've gotten lots of input. Some has been helpful. Thanks for the support.
Could you just go a place other then your own house and only post there? I wish both you and Gwenevyn the best, and I hope these freaks finally give up and stay out of your life. I'm only 16, but I've had my fair share of them too (The main one's my father)



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07 Mar 2008, 10:24 pm

Sorry for being naive, but I guess I'm a bit confused on what is "illegal" about someone reading the internet and reading someone's posts...I do understand you don't mind if the rest of the world reads your posts, but you feel weird with him reading yours, but I just don't see how that can be illegal. It must be horrible to not be able to just post what you want because someone you actually know is here...vs. most of us who post to people who don't know us...but I don't see where any court can/should stop someone from reading public posts on the internet...

Again, not trying to be insensitive, maybe there's more to the story and I just don't get it...which well, it might very well be...



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08 Mar 2008, 5:36 am

whatamess wrote:
Sorry for being naive, but I guess I'm a bit confused on what is "illegal" about someone reading the internet and reading someone's posts...I do understand you don't mind if the rest of the world reads your posts, but you feel weird with him reading yours, but I just don't see how that can be illegal. It must be horrible to not be able to just post what you want because someone you actually know is here...vs. most of us who post to people who don't know us...but I don't see where any court can/should stop someone from reading public posts on the internet...

Again, not trying to be insensitive, maybe there's more to the story and I just don't get it...which well, it might very well be...
reading another private post..tracking someone down etc is unlegal and can be compared as mail reading from others box which is crime and can lead for huge payments at least.....so next time hes dragging u to court just prove hes been reading your mails and tracked u down...if u show all private messages hes been sending u that does trick :twisted:


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08 Mar 2008, 5:38 am

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Okay, to address the comment that it doesn't seem like stalking....It's every website and forum that I've posted on. Every forum he tracks me down on. Every forum, I start getting emails on my personal email telling me he's found me again. Every forum gets drug into court to try to prove that I'm crazy somehow. Every forum. Not just one. Not just here. Every one. Did I mention it's every where?


Oh OK! He's been contacting you through each forum! That's entirely different to just looking. And to make matters worse - as you said - he is trying to use the information against you for what is undoubtedly the wrong reasons. Especially as you subsequently observed about him being a control freak. I think actually that is proof that he IS a control freak, and that's a pretty good weapon against him. Men who engage in over control have a history of copping restraining orders, and there should be some sort of precedent for that. Once you have the order, make sure when he breaches it you act. If he breaches it enough times there has to be a jail term.

And what about his ISP? Do they know about this? I would strongly recommend following up on that as well.



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08 Mar 2008, 6:45 am

It isn't illegal to read posts on a public forum but it is illegal to harass somebody through email or other electronic means. That is what harassment and anti-social behaviour order laws are for. First you have to provide sufficient records of any for of harassment or abuse. Even if it is by word of mouth it is important to write down the account at the earliest opportunity. Keep hard copies of any emails, etc. Some evidence is indisputable, for instance if it is caught on camera particularly cctv of a third party. Usually they will have no choice but to plead no contest.

Harassment is harassment regardless of the victim’s state of mind. There is no public right to harass someone in order to prove they are crazy. As a victim you are going to have to be very precise with how you deal with this. Firstly don't respond to anything yourself. Any contact with your ex should be through lawyers. Keep the records. Avoid posting public details about the case or you ex and any private information about yourself that he may seek to use against you. I would contact a support charity if you need to talk to someone in confidence.

Also there is a difference between criminal court and civil court. Sometimes a victim thinks they are better off suing. If they you really getting harassed, I would urge you to push for a criminal conviction and only consider civil if that is not possible. If people stop using criminal courts for specific crimes, these areas of the law will begin to lack credibility.

Sad but true, but some people do this sort of thing in order to provoke a reaction. So for instance if someone want to prove that another person is crazy then they might bait that person until they react (or people close to them react) and then use it as evidence that they are not stable or in a stable environment.



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08 Mar 2008, 7:20 am

0_equals_true wrote:
It isn't illegal to read posts on a public forum but it is illegal to harass somebody through email or other electronic means. That is what harassment and anti-social behaviour order laws are for. First you have to provide sufficient records of any for of harassment or abuse. Even if it is by word of mouth it is important to write down the account at the earliest opportunity. Keep hard copies of any emails, etc. Some evidence is indisputable, for instance if it is caught on camera particularly cctv of a third party. Usually they will have no choice but to plead no contest.

Harassment is harassment regardless of the victim’s state of mind. There is no public right to harass someone in order to prove they are crazy. As a victim you are going to have to be very precise with how you deal with this. Firstly don't respond to anything yourself. Any contact with your ex should be through lawyers. Keep the records. Avoid posting public details about the case or you ex and any private information about yourself that he may seek to use against you. I would contact a support charity if you need to talk to someone in confidence.

Also there is a difference between criminal court and civil court. Sometimes a victim thinks they are better off suing. If they you really getting harassed, I would urge you to push for a criminal conviction and only consider civil if that is not possible. If people stop using criminal courts for specific crimes, these areas of the law will begin to lack credibility.

Sad but true, but some people do this sort of thing in order to provoke a reaction. So for instance if someone want to prove that another person is crazy then they might bait that person until they react (or people close to them react) and then use it as evidence that they are not stable or in a stable environment.
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08 Mar 2008, 8:36 am

Remember that any electronic correspondence sent to you becomes your property and is not in any way 'private'. You can do with those emails what you wish.


With that being said, if the courts will not do something about it because they are stuck on stupid; you can always use different pressures on this man.

Namely, go to your local TV station and present your case. Many TV stations have their own investigative teams that will take the story, research and present it.

This will not only bring this person to the light of everyone... his peers, family and co-workers ... but will also make the courts take your case a lot more seriously. Remember: the courts rule in favor of public sentiment.

With one stroke you can fight back and get a court injunction against this person. You have the EVIDENCE with you.. its in those emails and its in the court records (when he came out and stated where you posting and stuff).

You've been waving the red cape in front of the bull for too long. Its time to grab it by the nuts for a change.



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08 Mar 2008, 8:51 am

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Namely, go to your local TV station and present your case. Many TV stations have their own investigative teams that will take the story, research and present it.

This will not only bring this person to the light of everyone... his peers, family and co-workers ... but will also make the courts take your case a lot more seriously. Remember: the courts rule in favor of public sentiment.

This is bad advice. Nothing will void your case faster than going to the media. There is a term for that: 'trial by media'.

The law isn't actually public sentiment or popularism, it is a much more complex process involving much politics. You are not going to change the law, by public sentiment in time for this case. If you are going to lobby you have lobby the politicians or try get elected yourself. Again it won't be in time for the case unless you can get the home secretary or in the case of the US those in public office who can influence the sentence. Since you are not the defendant this is usually not much use except in cases as 'life should mean life', etc.

I don't believe the law should be for personal 'retribution', it is for the public as a whole.



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08 Mar 2008, 12:49 pm

Again, I thank all of you for your positive and supportive input.

Part of the problem in my case is that my ex has been using the court for years to carry out his personal vendetta against me. Of course, this is compounded by the fact that I usually can't afford an attorney and I make too much money (even though I don't benefit from my husband's income and we have no money in common, they still consider household income) to get legal aid.

I think I now have a way to fight some of the stuff he's been dragging in. Of course, court is not helpful. My judge has let him get away with the most unbelievable stuff. He often has not presented any evidence to proof what he claims, but the judge lets him get away with things anyway. His lawyer is a real shark b***h.

I'm glad other people have been through these things and can be supportive. I really appreciate it.


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08 Mar 2008, 1:17 pm

I'm guessing this is a custody battle? I don't see why someone you currently want nothing to do with would constantly drag you into the courts, unless you have something they want. In which case they are not getting it or they would have stopped.


You need good representation because this may be why these cases are dragging on. I don't know if citizen’s advice would help point in the right direction. You need someone to present your case to the judge. I don’t think getting frustrated with the judge will get you anywhere. He can only on the basis of evidence and how it is presented. The law is mostly formal, more so in the UK. There is a set way of doing things, which is about as far away from normality as you can get. So it is pointless talking to him in lay speak.



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08 Mar 2008, 1:49 pm

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I feel for you. I'm also being cyber stalked here (they hacked into my computer so they even read all my PMs) and harassed in real life so I get a little of what you're saying.


When did this happen?


It's going to take more than mere embarassment to get these people to leave you alone... that's horrible.



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08 Mar 2008, 1:51 pm

A while ago, and it's on-going. They even sent a damn virus that destroyed everything in my computer. Luckily I have my stuff on backup.


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08 Mar 2008, 2:43 pm

I have never been stalked on websites but I was repeatedly attacked by two teens in 2003 and I got in a fight with them because I was defending myself but they just fought back so I should have just ignored their nasty name calling and they would have stopped instead of trying to show everybody how tough I am and I am not so naive anymore but all that did was caused me more trouble. Now I know where to draw the line with online bullying. If it's continious, only way to stop it is ignore it and it takes away their power, so they back off but they will still try to get you to respond to their behavior but they usually give up when you don't give in because they are not getting your attention, sometimes they just do it to provoke you because they are getting your attention and that's what bullies do. Of course I had to draw that line again with another aspie when he kept attacking me and he stopped. He was getting no response out of me even though he did keep trying.