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11 Mar 2008, 8:32 pm

I find that I have a lot of motivation for big things, such as work and school, but I have to give myself a nudge when it comes to small things. I tell myself I need to do it now before it piles up. I hate getting behind in any area of my life.



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11 Mar 2008, 9:02 pm

Laziness is not an aspie trait. I agrre with the posters who attribute it to other factors.


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11 Mar 2008, 9:59 pm

9CatMom wrote:
I find that I have a lot of motivation for big things, such as work and school, but I have to give myself a nudge when it comes to small things. I tell myself I need to do it now before it piles up. I hate getting behind in any area of my life.


For me it seems as though my whole life consists of endlessly tripping over all the little things....(i am a packrat..that doesn't help)

I always end up letting things pile up....I need to get better about it.



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12 Mar 2008, 2:18 am

I don't really consider myself lazy, I will work hard. I don't have a job right now not because I don't wanna "work". It's the social part I hate.



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12 Mar 2008, 5:41 am

For me it's a combination of executive dysfunction & escapism.

Far from being lazy, most of my life is a constant rush from one activity to another.

This means that when I am at home, all I want to do is "lose" myself in TV or a book. I find this a necessity, especially when I am feeling overwhelmed by life and the demands of other people.

As regards housework, this is so difficult for me I never get around to it.



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12 Mar 2008, 10:04 am

shopaholic wrote:
For me it's a combination of executive dysfunction & escapism.

Far from being lazy, most of my life is a constant rush from one activity to another.

This means that when I am at home, all I want to do is "lose" myself in TV or a book. I find this a necessity, especially when I am feeling overwhelmed by life and the demands of other people.

As regards housework, this is so difficult for me I never get around to it.



Yes yes! Executive dysfunction!! !
Housework...... (shudder)......head in hands....



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12 Mar 2008, 2:47 pm

In kindergarten and grade 1 I loved school and was basically perfect in everything. I slacked like most kids from grades 2 to 7. I did sort of well in grade 7 and especially the beginning of grade 8, then I started slacking in grade 8 and started getting way worse marks in grade 9 and 10. They went up in grade 11 but I was still mediocre in grade 11 and 12. As in, 2 or 3 subjects just barely passed and a high mark in one or two, and 1 or 2 subjects failed but almost passed, and 1 subject failed miserably. :)



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12 Mar 2008, 2:54 pm

It's not my AS that causes me to be lazy, it's my Depression that causes that.


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12 Mar 2008, 9:02 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
I have difficulty with my energy expenditures...it can often take alot more time and effort for me to complete simple tasks...especially those that I have to do but cannot hyperfocus on...Because my mind is constantly switching channels....making the distance between point a and b a long and twisted maze....This contributes to fatigue...or a sense of overwhealmedness which leads to inertia....which leads to procrastinating....which could be interpreted as laziness..


That's EXACTLY like me.


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12 Mar 2008, 9:05 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
shopaholic wrote:
For me it's a combination of executive dysfunction & escapism.

Far from being lazy, most of my life is a constant rush from one activity to another.

This means that when I am at home, all I want to do is "lose" myself in TV or a book. I find this a necessity, especially when I am feeling overwhelmed by life and the demands of other people.

As regards housework, this is so difficult for me I never get around to it.



Yes yes! Executive dysfunction!! !
Housework...... (shudder)......head in hands....


My obsessive-compulsive perfectionism seems to apply with everything EXCEPT cleaning my apartment. :lol:


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12 Mar 2008, 10:02 pm

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Hyperactivity and its opposite are both involved in ASDs. In addition, an inability to care for things outside of one's interest adds to the appearance of being "lazy".


I totally agree with this. I also think that an inability to comprehend what is expected of us to do, and how to do it, that is implied with others, is not neccessarily there for us. People think we are lazy because we don't know what to do, and people expect us to know what to do because everyone else does.


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12 Mar 2008, 10:28 pm

Well, most of my students seem to me to be lazy, and I doubt very many of them are aspies. It is like pulling teeth to get them to read the textbook.

However, laziness can sometimes be associated with problems with executive function, which is supposedly an aspie trait.


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31 Oct 2010, 7:04 am

If you think about it any personality trait or cognitive ability carried far enough to an extreme is going to get diagnosed as a "mental disorder" or "neurological dysfunction".

For dyspraxia the personality trait is "clumsy".
For dysgraphia water down the definition far enough and the person just has "sloppy handwriting".
Our condition watered down enough is "laziness" and I expect we'd find self-described "lazy" people tend to score closer to having Asperger's whether they do or not.

I think after that most people's subconscious uses "conventions" picked up subconsciously from the environment over time to weed things out. Then the brain logically starts trying to come up with every possibility that's left and then compare them to each other.

I've noticed how NTs can so easily just "follow the crowd" without thinking about it. It is very hard for me to do that. Even at football games. I'll yell and cheer even louder than anyone but it seems like everyone else knows the exact moment when its coming without thinking about it so I always start just a second later and still don't really feel completely a part of it (but the yelling is fun) and even wonder how I'm coming off to the people if I come off as too quiet, nervous, or alternatively if I'm making a scene. It seems like there's this "herd mentality" we can't tap into in order to synchronize.

Because we don't "synchronize" with the crowd as much we pick up less conventions, because even when we are socializing most of our attention is on what ever we find interesting at the moment either thinking about our interests or interesting things in the environment. With less conventions to use as shortcuts to cut down on "possibilities" to be analyzed by our brains we easily get lost in what ever we're thinking about or doing and shifting through every possible thing before making a conclusion. The conclusions turn out better because we're not relying on arbitrary social conventions that are sometimes wrong. However, it can also pose a lot of anxiety and stress. Also, paradoxically getting stuck on the things we want to do sometimes stops us from doing the things we want to do. For example, I completely lost track getting absorbed in internet conversations on various websites that I forgot about a movie showing I wanted to go to. The social cluelessness I can deal with, since I've finally figured out nobody hates me for it, I just hate that I keep missing deadlines. I'm starting to just type it all into my phone but sometimes I forget to check.

And really that's what "laziness" is as a social reality. Going around indulged in what ever we're doing looks lazy and is the essence of it relative to the perceptions of mainstream society. The nature of the people who were conceptualized by our society in the past as "lazy" and are still is very similar to our own nature. The fact that a long time ago they didn't attach official psychiatric labels to these things doesn't mean they weren't recognized, just under a different name(laziness) and with less obsession(people didn't make as much out of these quirks as they do now).

Even something as seemingly unlazy as organizing I can explain at least for myself by laziness. I put every event and deadline into my phone and did that even before I realized I had AS. Before that I thought I was lazy and would forget it so I should keep a list. When we organize things(and right now my room is very disorganized, haven't had the motivation to do it) we generally like to do it once and get nervous if something is out of place because we know it will take us forever to find it.

The irony is being lazy to a point is more efficient. Workplaces stress multitasking. Multitasking makes you look busier, like you're getting more done. But studies show multitasking actually slows people down. They thought it was only us who couldn't multitask and now studies prove that nobody can. Anything else you are doing at the same time is just "automated". A lot of NTs compulsively and without realizing it switch tasks a lot in order to conform and look like they are getting things done faster when we're the ones who actually get things done more efficiently. We didn't synchronize with the social expectation of multitasking. Some Aspies might be aware of this social convention from hearing about it, instead of picking it up subconsciously or just notice their boss is paying more attention to neurotypicals who multitask all the time and then try to logically figure out how to do it. Applying logic to social situations is a good thing, but before diving into figuring out how people do certain social things you should think about whether it even makes sense either for your happiness or efficiency(mostly happiness) while also considering if it makes sense in a wider social context and factoring in the consequences of improving at it or not improving at it. Sometimes in trying to pretend too hard to be normal we overcorrect and adopt the unuseful aspects of the NT world.

And I think trouble with "synchronizing" is a better description than trouble with "empathy". If I notice someone get hurt it makes me very upset. I hear about injustices in the news and often feel rage. If someone looks like they need help I offer it. The NT world wants to make us sound like monsters.

I used to be in constant fear even before I stopped denying it that people around me though I had Asperger's. Now I'm realizing people see me as a little lazy and forgetful but that's all. The only people who've figured it out also have Asperger's. I know at least 4 of my friends have it and it seems like a lot more might.

Although we're "lazy" by NT standards paradoxically they're "lazy" too. They're lazy because they often just go along with the crowd and conform without taking any time or effort to think about it. We're just lazy as far as "synchronizing" our behavior. No matter where you are on the spectrum (including the most synchronized NTs) doing something that involves more synchronizing or more systemizing is going to be harder to motivate yourself to do.

One thing I've found helps combat laziness along with anxiety is to think logically about the use of logic itself. Asking "what's the worst that could happen if I make the wrong decision?" is a useful question. If the potential consequences aren't severe enough I pick a random decision, because I know it will make me feel happier that way in the long run.



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31 Oct 2010, 9:20 am

Well, it's a trait for me.
It's only because I'm tired and need obscene amounts for rest and recovery time XD It's probably a human thing, but I wouldn't class myself as lazy, more, overwhelmed.


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31 Oct 2010, 9:28 am

Yes. Autism is associated with lack of personal hygiene and doing much physical work, being entirely focused on their interests and hobbies, nothing else.

Many won't have this trait, because Autism is a Spectrum, it is very wide, full of contradictions.

About myself, I avoid chores that are laid upon me, but if I feel like I have to do it myself, I'll do it with no hesitation. In other words: I'm lazy, but not when it comes for myself.


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06 Mar 2011, 12:14 pm

Inertia, good word for it... I feel like I get stuck all the time in sort of mental traffic jams. I find myself stuck doing one thing for hours at a time, and if it's productive I don't feel so bad, but if it happens to be stuck online or something for hours looking up one thing on loads of different sites or listening to the same music over and over or something, I hate myself for it and punish myself.

My family had me convinced I was lazy and I'm only now beginning to try break down that image of myself. I know for a fact that I am a diligent worker. I simply struggle to drag myself from one activity to another. I still make the foolish mistake of multitasking and doing multiple types of tasks in a short space of time when I'm feeling my best, only to regret it and get sick with a meltdown after. I feel great at the time, feeling like I'm finally on the same level as everybody else, and suddenly I crash and it's like two steps forward and three steps back. I then need at least a day of doing nothing and getting lots of sleep before I can get back to normal. At the moment, I'm in that feeling of being stuck in mental traffic. I had a meltdown on Friday and spent Saturday recovering. I was mostly better then I had work this morning (church organist) and then a load of random stuff happened, no work for me really but random new stuff, and I got home at 1, luckily had no plans to worry about, but I'm stuck again now and I know that I need to rest anyways and let this be but it's SO FRUSTRATING! I don't yet know a way to break out of these moments without throwing myself back into meltdown... I don't want to have to have someone helping me all the time...