Why do people find different opinions so hostile?

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gwynfryn
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24 Jul 2008, 4:03 pm

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Everytime I present opinions which differ from my interlocutor or someone on a regular forum, they seem to get angry and take it personally. Is this a very neurotypical thing?


Not neurotypical; just the view of those who think they are more important than the rest of us.

Example: the first time I was fired (a big deal here in Europe, it means you can kiss your career goodbye) I dared to take legal action to acquire my minimum legal rights; the executers couldn't hide their opinion that they were offended by my actions!

Bottom line: the world is run by people who are born with the belief that they should be in charge, and have the benefit of all the wealth, while those who produce said wealth, should be kept just barely alive.

They see themselves as winners, and others as losers...and losers should know their place, and not dispute with their betters!



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11 Aug 2008, 7:44 pm

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I find it so difficult to understand this.

In person, I generally don't discuss controversial issues. I think politics and religion are both uninteresting subjects as they have no importance to me and I believe they are trivial issues. Discussing them serves no purpose as I believe they are both power systems interested only in controlling what other people do and think. I have absolutely no interest in arguing about this.

I received a lot of negative responses when I questioned someone's views about a games console. I said I didn't think that the console in question was worth buying in my opinion. A few other people got upset that I expressed this opinion and attacked me verbally. I defended myself by mocking their arguments and assumptions about the value of opinions. I use a lot of satire and irony while doing this and I tend to form complex sentences which some people don't like.

I believe that opinions have no value at all even my own as they can't be verified scientifically and debating about them is a futile action. I try to express my opinions clearly and also explain the reasoning behind such opinions so that others can learn a little about those opinions. I mocked the insistence of these people that they were right and I was wrong by pointing out the relativity of opinions. They then complained that I was writing too much and that my opinions weren't as valid as theirs because I lacked their knowledge. Why are people so attached to inanimate objects? I like my games console but this doesn't me I don't like yours too.

Do people always try to find things to fight about even pointless things like politics, the value of football players or games consoles?

I know some people think politics are important because it makes them feel good about having power but in reality I think small groups of people exercise power over large groups of people everywhere and I think this is wrong. I think democracy is a delusion that is useful to those who want to exercise power over people who think they are free. People should be free to make up their own minds and not be subjected to the whims of any one person or groups of people.

You speak as though the 'controlled' majority had no choice in their opinions.
I really don't get the preoccupation with 'mind control' - it always smacks to me of the tin-foil hat brigade.
For every idea that's planted in the minds of the masses, there's an opposing one planted by someone else.
Where's the 'mind control' there ?

Or are you simply talking about political bias ?

And if we don't have small groups of people controlling bigger groups, ie - leaders ... what do you propose we put in their place ?

Sure it's natural that Aspies find hierarchies intrinsically hateful things - since life at the bottom always sucks.
But you need chiefs as much as you need Indians.



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11 Aug 2008, 7:58 pm

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You speak as though the 'controlled' majority had no choice in their opinions.
I really don't get the preoccupation with 'mind control' - it always smacks to me of the tin-foil hat brigade.
For every idea that's planted in the minds of the masses, there's an opposing one planted by someone else.
Where's the 'mind control' there ?

Or are you simply talking about political bias ?


I was talking about the fact that democracy is not in fact democracy but an elected oligarchy of powerful, privileged people who do not care about ordinary people. They are interested in power and will do anything the have to in order to take that power. They are elected but what real choice does anyone have? You either choose this candidate or that candidate and usually it's impossible to tell them apart. If it helps you sleep at night to believe you are more than a pawn then so be it. The media is also complicit in this by having an obvious political agenda and reporting biased opinion rather than objective fact.

I am not talking about "mind control". I am talking about propaganda and disinformation. Fox News is a perfect example.

A free and objective press is a necessity to maintain the conditions required for actual democracy. Once the press is partisan, any real choice is empty.

The fact that the person elected needs massive amounts of funding from vested interests/corporations should be enough to call into question the whole charade.

There was a brilliant satire of this on Futurama where they had to choose between two identical clones; Jack Johnson and John Jackson.

And don't try to accuse me of being "crazy" with ad hominem insinuations about tinfoil hat brigades. I am far beyond empty rhetoric and posturing.

And I wasn't the one talking about "pharm snake oil". Is that an example of the "tinfoil hate brigade"?



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11 Aug 2008, 8:14 pm

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Not neurotypical; just the view of those who think they are more important than the rest of us.


I know that I get somewhat peeved when I am trying to make a point and someone decides to step right over it and use it for their personal pet-subject soapbox. (In my experience, NTs and Aspies seem to do this equally.) I think it's more obvious on an internet forum because as a weakness of the medium the original post can become buried. Maybe explains some of what comes across as arguing.

I'll note that I am not talking about the left wing/right wing stuff, or the god exists/no he doesn't stuff.