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30 Jul 2008, 8:05 am

hhhmmmnn..

im not cold-hearted

only contemplative

most NTs want to be praise and boost their egos
so if they talk to you they are some how expecting that
you'll be all ears to them and immediately promised your
alligiance 8)



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30 Jul 2008, 8:48 am

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I do cry at funerals. I am not a robot.


I, robot?



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30 Jul 2008, 8:53 am

Empathy is not about promising allegiance or arse-kissing, BTW. It's about acknowleding other human beings as human beings, about understanding the thought-processes / emtional states of The Other. Take it from an Aspie who knows. :mrgreen:



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30 Jul 2008, 11:18 am

Which I lack entirely.

People don't feel real to me, nor do I feel that they have different thought processes to my own; I began to know they did at the old age of 25, but I still don't feel that they're real and tangible beings with their own thoughts and desires--people are like rocks to me.

I have guilt, care, compassion, and all of those other emotions that make me not wish to destroy life that I see, but it doesn't change the fact that no one is actually real and separate from me.



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30 Jul 2008, 12:19 pm

I like rocks.

I like some parts of some people, common interests.

Other than that, I like rocks, machines, dogs.

Humans seem to want to be loved because they are humans.

They even made a God in their image.

I am not of their religion.



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30 Jul 2008, 1:27 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
Which I lack entirely.

People don't feel real to me, nor do I feel that they have different thought processes to my own; I began to know they did at the old age of 25, but I still don't feel that they're real and tangible beings with their own thoughts and desires--people are like rocks to me.

I have guilt, care, compassion, and all of those other emotions that make me not wish to destroy life that I see, but it doesn't change the fact that no one is actually real and separate from me.

Right. We may seem to lack empathy, but that doesn't mean we don't know the difference between right and wrong.



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30 Jul 2008, 10:08 pm

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They actually said you have to "feel" your way through a conversation? For some reason I get this weird picture in my head of having very long whiskers and feeling one's way through dark, unfamiliar territory.

LOL - I had a similar reaction. I asked the seminar leader if I had to touch people on the arm or something while talking to them. She said, no, that would be classified as weird. I was grateful for that clarification. I avoid people that ARE huggy/touchy-feely types like the plague. I can't imagine doing that to someone else. Too eerie...


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31 Jul 2008, 7:25 am

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I'm emotionally cold to everyone but a rare few; I wouldn't blink if everyone but those few just dropped dead. My heart is body temperature, however.


Is it beating? Is it made of stone? Maybe you don't realize how you bad you sound.


He does not sound bad, he sounds rational. It is impossible for a person to know more than a minuscule fraction of the population of the world, which means that it is impossible for a person to know what most people are really like. How does it make sense to care about people who you don't know, and thus have no idea if they're worth caring about?


I am not capable of caring about anyone who I don't know. If that makes me cold-hearted, then I'm cold hearted.


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31 Jul 2008, 9:45 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Danielismyname wrote:
I'm emotionally cold to everyone but a rare few; I wouldn't blink if everyone but those few just dropped dead. My heart is body temperature, however.


Is it beating? Is it made of stone? Maybe you don't realize how you bad you sound.


He does not sound bad, he sounds rational. It is impossible for a person to know more than a minuscule fraction of the population of the world, which means that it is impossible for a person to know what most people are really like. How does it make sense to care about people who you don't know, and thus have no idea if they're worth caring about?


I am not capable of caring about anyone who I don't know. If that makes me cold-hearted, then I'm cold hearted.


If we (humans) really cared about strangers, then we would never stop crying as people are dying every second of every minute of every day. What I feel about this is entirely irrelevant as my feelings will not change the fact that many people are dead and will die. As a rational being I find it very hard to understand the hysterical mourning when Princess Diana died.



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31 Jul 2008, 9:53 am

A lot of people loved Princess Diana. She was England's favourite royal, and she died young, she died tragically. A lot of people must have put her on a high pedestal. I felt no particulsr affinity for her, but I was sad when the news of the accident reached Canada. I was angry at the reckless paparazzi who more than likely caused her death. I still wonder if these people have any humanity left in them.



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31 Jul 2008, 9:57 am

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A lot of people loved Princess Diana. She was England's favourite royal, and she died young, she died tragically. A lot of people must have put her on a high pedestal. I felt no particulsr affinity for her, but I was sad when the news of the accident reached Canada. I was angry at the reckless paparazzi who more than likely caused her death. I still wonder if these people have any humanity left in them.


Why did you feel sad? You didn't know her and her death had no demonstrable effect on your life. I thought people feel sad when they lose something. You don't seem to have lost anything. I can understand her family and friends being sad but not complete strangers.

I would feel sad if Noam Chomsky, David Attenborough, Robert Fisk, Richard Dawkins died because I respect their intellects and achievements and what their works have taught me. Princess Diana taught me nothing and was utterly irrelevant to my existence.



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31 Jul 2008, 11:13 am

corroonb wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
A lot of people loved Princess Diana. She was England's favourite royal, and she died young, she died tragically. A lot of people must have put her on a high pedestal. I felt no particulsr affinity for her, but I was sad when the news of the accident reached Canada. I was angry at the reckless paparazzi who more than likely caused her death. I still wonder if these people have any humanity left in them.


Why did you feel sad? You didn't know her and her death had no demonstrable effect on your life. I thought people feel sad when they lose something. You don't seem to have lost anything. I can understand her family and friends being sad but not complete strangers.

I would feel sad if Noam Chomsky, David Attenborough, Robert Fisk, Richard Dawkins died because I respect their intellects and achievements and what their works have taught me. Princess Diana taught me nothing and was utterly irrelevant to my existence.


I felt sad because she seems like a nice person (I met her briefly when I was 4), but mostly I was sad for her son Prince Harry because he was nearly 13 when he died, and he's a few days younger than me. I couldn't imagine losing my mother at that age, and I was sad to think about that. I think a lot of people did learn stuff from her - just not the normal "this is this, that is that" type of thing. You know, like bringing that landmine charity to public attention and stuff like that.


I got called a cold hard b***h by a guy once - he had a crush on his best friend's girlfriend. He was complaining about it and how awful his life was and what could he do about it; I asked if he liked his best friend's friendship more, he said yes, I asked if she liked him, he said no. I said, "Well, it's not gonna happen then. You just need to get over it and stop liking her. That's what I did about (a certain hot guy who was an idiot to me)." He stared at me and called me a cold hard b***h. :roll: Such is life.

Anyway, the girl's name was Laura so I spent a while humming Scissor Sisters whenever I saw him. Now that was cold. :wink:



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31 Jul 2008, 11:34 am

Isn't everybody battling the cold one way or another? I don't see how any one person could ever BE cold. People just don't always do a very good job of challenging it.



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31 Jul 2008, 3:15 pm

slowmutant wrote:
A lot of people loved Princess Diana. She was England's favourite royal, and she died young, she died tragically. A lot of people must have put her on a high pedestal. I felt no particulsr affinity for her, but I was sad when the news of the accident reached Canada. I was angry at the reckless paparazzi who more than likely caused her death. I still wonder if these people have any humanity left in them.

I felt nothing at hearing of her death, though I wondered why those morons with cameras thought it necessary to drive recklessly. Also if it had been any other woman, people wouldn't have cared. We talked about it in class, and there was another princess, Princess Ann. She's not as pretty as Princess Diana was though, so people don't even know who she is. This striking inequality is confusing.



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31 Jul 2008, 3:17 pm

Ironically, part of the reason Diana died was her popularity and the desire of people to read about her in the tabloids.



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31 Jul 2008, 3:24 pm

I don't think of being anti-social as cold, that is just loner. Cold could mean someone who just doesn't care, but there could be a lot of reasons for someone not caring, be it intentional or unintentional.