Asperger's, the Law, and POLICE

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Papillon, has anyone other than the police ever bullied you? I have been treated far worse by as*holes I grew up with than any police. If the police can keep them away I am glad for that.

Oh yes! Schoolmates (way back when), co-workers, managements in workplaces, people who are intolerant of "different" people, etc... and even a vengeful stalker.

Papillon,

What types of surveillance do they do? how extensive is it? I'd be curious to know.. thanks.

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Are you talking about a seizure like an epileptic seizure? I have read that certain types of flashing lights will set them off. Do you have a medic alert bracelet that you wear?

I like the police and have always wanted to be one of them. If you are not breaking the law you have nothing to fear.

You should join up.
If nothing else, it'll cure you of your naivite.

I may be naive but police are important and there are plenty of good ones out there. I am law abiding with no fear of police, and I respect the job they do.

I've been pulled over multiple times for various reasons (tail lights out, head lights out, driving home from work when exhausted...) and have never gotten a ticket (except orders to fix the mechanical problem and check back in) or been treated rudely or harassed. Officers have been brusque when I've asked questions, but not past the point that I would understand in an interaction in which they have to be concerned at all times about the other person trying to shoot or otherwise attack them.

My grandparents watch 'Law and Order' all the time, so frequently I see it when I'm over there visiting. It bothers me when they're interviewing some subject or other and the psychologist says, 'He's not making eye contact; he must be hiding something.' And, because it's t.v, that's always the case once the pronouncement is made.

This bothers me too. I once went to a risk management and loss prevention convention and one of the speakers was a 'human lie detector' who worked with police while questioning suspects. She had a psychology major and years of experience in her field so I'm sure she did not tell us all her tricks, but she discussed many different wasy of determining lies. I could not help but ask her about eye contact...since she brought it up. She clearly stated if eye contact is the only indication she would never suspect dishonesty. TV is such a bunch of crap.

I live in a suburb. Sometimes the police watch me, not so much now that the neighbors I have always fought with moved away(they thought they were better than me and I put up with a lot of s**t from them which added to my problems).

Neighbors next door harassed me thru the police when I hadn't done anything and just wanted them to ignore me and I them.
These neighbors, also got people after me to beat me up, sent people to my house constantly to try s**t, you name it, they did it.
Finally they moved away and peace has returned. The people living there now are so much nicer, you wouldn't believe how much nicer.

So, Papillon, maybe the same is true for you, someone is using the cops to harass you by calling the cops and goading them into watching you by telling them bs, it happens all the time. The only thing you can do is move away.

When I lived on the east coast never had a problem with the police. When I lived in Florida, never had a problem with police. When I lived in California, no problems with police there. My experience with cops, generally, is they are so busy with real crime, especially big city cops, they don't waste their time on me unless some as*hole has called and told them a lie to get them to notice me. I think most cops are okay.

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wrt the above, I have to agree with the difference between big-city and small-city cops: I never had a single interaction with the police when I lived in Portland. Now that I live in a small town in Northern California, I have fairly regular contact (foot patrol on the plaza; cops coming in to coffee shops on breaks; the above mentioned lights on the car; etc).

Ironically, I felt far safer in terms of both person and posessions when I was in Portland. I don't think that's the fault of the local police, though. The town I live in now is a huge pot growing area, and there's a lot of associated crime and degeneracy.

yea i have simple partial siezures now, but i dont wear any medic alert bracelets because i found any type of jewelery i either eat or rips off my skin, my skin is very fragile unfortunely.

Personally it may be a good idea to pay the police a visit and provide information on ASD and the fact that there is no evidence to link ASD to crime, and it is not a mental illness so mental health laws don’t apply. If you can do this you earn my respect.

You are in Canada aren't you? Write to you member of parliament and ask why recourses are being spent putting you under surveillance based on unfounded claims.

I was having problems with my parents, and was having a gigantic meltdown. The cops came refused to believe i had aspergers/that aspergers had anything to do with the way i feeling and acting. They hauled me off to a hospital er to be psychiatrically evalutated and treated. I was declared bipolar and was forced to take medications that i was allergic to.

As far as I am aware, they are monitoring my telephone and internet activities and they have watched from unmarked vehicles.

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo,

Thank-you for sharing. What you describe here is almost a carbon copy of what I am dealing with. To add, I've been told (also from a 3rd party) that if only I wasn't registered as a "special needs" person, the police wouldn't have anything on me.

Personally, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding going on, including the fact they don't seem to really understand the real nature of AS. It is understandable in a way that all so-called "mental cases" are on their registry but all are put under the same umbrella whether or not the individual already had a record at the registry's point of entry, and also regardless as to whether or not the individual has a condition that is truly dangerous to the public.

It is also understandable that the police have expanded powers of intervention since the 9/11 thingy but how are they really using this power of authority? Are we packing bombs and other weapons that inflict massive property and personal damage or are we just separate parties that can't see eye to eye on our differences? Are we crashing airplanes into buildings or are we just grossly misunderstood for being "different"?

OTOH we know who this local splinter group are and I personally know 4 other individuals (all "special needs" people on a disability allowance) who have also been targeted in various ways and the authorities don't seem too keen on putting a stop to it all. These people have been at it for years. You are probably right about your theory of these people goading the cops into thinking we are more of a threat than what we really are.

All of this group's members are crafty liars who have lived on the wrong side of the law most of their lives and they know how to play the system and we know most of them have records. Their most despicable tactic is how they collectively stand as witnesses for each other to refute any evidence the authorities may ever get against them. We have formed a support network of our own. We too have been watching and alerting each other and collecting the information as we go along. In time, maybe a pattern will begin to show up.

The impression that I am left with is it's all one-sided where these people have been gathering every negative aspect about me and nothing positive in order to try to build a case against me. I think only a continued absence of hard evidence against me will keep them at bay. OTOH it remains very disturbing to me that I should continue to "live under their microscope" and the way it all has been going leaves me feeling anything but positive about the authorities.

Only time will tell whether this will stop at some point if and when they find somebody else to target or their own luck runs out.

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