Sometimes do you want to be like them(NTs), why?

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11 Oct 2008, 8:35 am

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I have alsways wanted to be me.


I don't want to be offensive to those with WS, but all the brazilians I know in person(northeastern) remind me of WS people. They are not shy at all, interestead in you, always smiling, treat you like you have been his friend for years in a 2 minutes conversation and they are always dancing and living in a magic world where chaos happens everyday since we are an emerging country(China, Russia, South Africa, Chile, etc). They talk to strangers, touch strangers, and they don't let you be alone. I believe cultures influence a little bit, anyway I like my country, I've learned to accept it as I've learned to accept I am who I am and those I have, but like most of people here there are things we must "hide" and there are momments they caught us and we feel ashamed. Einstein's equation for live L = x + y + z ( L for life, x for work, y for fun, and z for keeping your mouth shut).



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11 Oct 2008, 9:10 am

Oh you reminded me, how I miss the Southamerican warmth! I wasn't raised to live in this cold culture. No wonder Israelis adore us, especially the Brazilians.


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11 Oct 2008, 12:36 pm

I find my differance to be more cultural than Neurological.

Not being like everyone else is hated in some places, and accepted in others.

I do resist the urge to claim to be perfect, I know me, NT's must not own a mirror.

In old age, they become more like us.



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11 Oct 2008, 1:02 pm

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and accepted in others.

WHERE? WHERE? JUST TELL ME WHERE OH PLEASE!! !

In old age, they become more like us.


In what sense?


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15 Oct 2008, 8:17 pm

You know. I'd give anything to be normal. No more special interests interfering, no more being weird, no more being alone and no more being the easy target. I could have one hundred friends calling me in one day. I can finally learn to hang out. And I will be able to properly behave around nt's. I've dreamt of moments like this.



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15 Oct 2008, 8:37 pm

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I obsessively admire their traits that make them NOT INVOLUNTARILY CELIBATE.


Hear,hear! (I agree.)


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15 Oct 2008, 8:40 pm

If I had my choice of anyone to be like it would be this odd, eccentric, creative mad genius type. That is the type I adore. I wouldn't care if I had social skills or not (which I don't now anyway, lol) because the really creative geniuses can get by without having really good ones. They are the truly blessed in life.
Either that or celebrity. Celebrities don't need 'em either just plenty of ego.
Lol, seriously the only thing I have ever wanted to be is a total genius who everyone admires because I am so smart. That is what I wish more than anything.
Geniuses don't need social skills, neither do famous people. Everyone kisses their butts and they don't need 'em. They do what they want.



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15 Oct 2008, 10:01 pm

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If I had my choice of anyone to be like it would be this odd, eccentric, creative mad genius type.


I grew up with this lable of eccentric, creative, genius stereotype, but I was extremely naive, the kind of kid who would always be manipulated by others and bullied. But this "genius syndrome" suffocated me, I don't need nobody kissing my butt, I just wanted someone to tell me the truth even if it hurts istead of stabbing me on my backs and being a friend and really mean it, I have low social skills in the sense of stop speaking my mind, I don't get them very well but I try as an effort to ask "Please can you explain me why are you doing this?". When I was a kid I said: "I hate what your doing and didn't explain" I try not to hurt people 'coz pain is the last thing I want to give anyone, I had moments of anger and revenge, but I have overcome it. I've changed a lot in the last 4 years, now I go directly and talk to them "What's your problem? I have none, if I had I'd tell you".

Relationships: Girls tend to be mysterious and NT men love them for that, they love being toyed and played, and I go straight and I speak my mind and then men hate me. Anyway I can't tell when someone flirts one me, I tend to think it's a joke.

Friends: I am a friend to them, but they are not to me. The problem is I am persistent in keeping the few people I've found that I can trust but they always tell me in the end "goodbye". Maybe because they are ashamed of my "geekness, freakness and weirdness". Who knows? They always start with: "You can trust me, I am not like everybody else." But they change their minds... they go with the flow, I go against the flow. :roll: It was my last attempt to be an NT, that people are dangerous, I want to interect with them BUT NOT TO BE LIKE THEM ANYMORE.

Family: I am the genius who doesn't make money. A waste of intelligence. Anyway I've reached the maturity I wanted and am "praying" to see what I'll do for life and ironically I want to do something to help those who attack me. :idea:

I identify myself a lot with all peanuts characters in difference phases of my life, they all have their own reality but they all get along even being so lonely in their ideas. That's so utopic.



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15 Oct 2008, 10:10 pm

It seems like that is what the 'NT' social skills exist of...a bunch of back stabbing, butt kissing, all that stuff...what is so great about it?
Not all NTs are like that but these are the types of things the so called social skills consist of. Why are people so envious? Again...it's my Aspie cluelessness. I am quite mystified...



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15 Oct 2008, 11:17 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It seems like that is what the 'NT' social skills exist of...a bunch of back stabbing, butt kissing, all that stuff...what is so great about it?
Not all NTs are like that but these are the types of things the so called social skills consist of. Why are people so envious? Again...it's my Aspie cluelessness. I am quite mystified...


If I ever found out why they like back stabbing, butt kissing, tricking and turning back on their words, I will at least appreciate the "truth" even thinking it's senseless.



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15 Oct 2008, 11:33 pm

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If I ever found out why they like back stabbing, butt kissing, tricking and turning back on their words


It's not that they like them, those are tools to get ahead of the competition. I suppose that if we Aspies were able to, we'd use them too.


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16 Oct 2008, 6:35 pm

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I wish that social interaction didn't tire me out so much. Some days, I come home exhausted because I had to interact too much - or there was too much going on around me that I couldn't shut out.

Otherwise, I value whatever it is in my head that makes me think in a different manner from NTs.

I completely agree. That's the biggest thing for me. Because my social skills are not natural, it drains the hell out of me in trying to be social.



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16 Oct 2008, 6:35 pm

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From years and years of experiences with NTs - I would HATE to be like them. Of course there are exceptions, but in general I have found them to be selfish, manipulative, fake, shallow, deceitful, greedy, intolerant, ignorant, and downright rude.

Oh, I've met a few of those along the way. More than a few, in fact.
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illogical, phony, passive-aggressive, whiteliars, materialistic, cliche-lovers, hierarchy suckers, social power admirers, diversity fraidcats, noise seekers, peacefulness aversive

*pauses for air*

I've met more than a few of those along the way too.

I admire any NT who takes it upon themselves to throw the bias aside and get to know me for me.



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16 Oct 2008, 6:41 pm

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zeichner wrote:
I wish that social interaction didn't tire me out so much. Some days, I come home exhausted because I had to interact too much - or there was too much going on around me that I couldn't shut out.

Otherwise, I value whatever it is in my head that makes me think in a different manner from NTs.

I completely agree. That's the biggest thing for me. Because my social skills are not natural, it drains the hell out of me in trying to be social.

I totally understand that. I have this constant strain on my central nervous system. Add trying to figure out how to cope with people's reactions and it's totally exhausting. It is literally tiresome to the point of near meltdown to sustain a confusing series of complex social interactions for very long. Even the constant replying is a strain. I get soooooo distracted I forget what I was going to say. I even forget what I need when I shop at the store.
I tend to do best with the very few that I know really well. Even then I need lots of repose.



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16 Oct 2008, 7:25 pm

One answer NO! Reason : Years ago I tried to be like "them" , yet I have learned that I am different. I can accept myself for I am an individual. We are all individuals with differant points of view on life.I wish you all well.


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16 Oct 2008, 7:40 pm

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Taly wrote:
If I ever found out why they like back stabbing, butt kissing, tricking and turning back on their words


It's not that they like them, those are tools to get ahead of the competition. I suppose that if we Aspies were able to, we'd use them too.


Greentea, from reading your posts, you don't strike me as the sort of person to use such tools even if you were well able! :)

I know for a fact, that I could learn how to do all those things if I wanted, but I would NEVER EVER want to!

I don't think there would be many Aspies who would.