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16 Oct 2008, 10:18 am

Continuation here.

Some more things I dislike about the text are:

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They dislike any changes in routines

I do dislike routines and welcome changes. I need to have routines or else I can't orientate myself in time/space.

To me these are totally different reasons, but I'm afraid that this text does the same as some other people do and equate needing routines to taking a liking routines and vice versa - not liking routines, not needing them.

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unable to determine the feelings of those around them.

Determine them - no problem.

But doing so by reading non-verbal cues, having empathy, sympathy or anything - no.

Is this meant literally or does this sentence talk about empathy, feeling with others, understanding their facial expressions, tone of voice, gestures, considering the person in question as a person in any way.

If someone's parent dies there's a high chance of them being sad. If I know the person, they may have told me that they like, love or dislike that parent before. I wouldn't even need to see the person to determine how they most likely would feel then.
Of course, the key in this is remembering to check for other people's feelings.

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can become frustrating for teachers, by whom they are regarded as a 'problem child', 'poor performer', 'ret*d', 'arrogant', 'spiteful', and 'insubordinate'.

I don't think this is like 'having a trait', because that's what other people think about me. I nowadays often can make up for this expression when people start to interact, talk and stuff with me.




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poopylungstuffing wrote:
There is no mention of the overly gregarious Aspie types who have no sense of personal boundaries.


Danielismyname wrote:
The childlike individual who doesn't recognize boundaries probably isn't the most common manifestation of an ASD (compared to the one-sided, formal and pedantic fellow);


I think there should a be description like that, too, to show there isn't just 1 manifestation.

It would make people reconsider that Asperger's isn't being shy, anxious or physically distant or high-stung or something like that typical AS impression, but that there are also reasons behind behaving differently - no matter how that difference looks like.


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16 Oct 2008, 11:54 am

There is no evidence that ASD are predisposed to criminal behaviour. There are some lawyers trying to use that argument, but that doesn't make it so.



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16 Oct 2008, 12:06 pm

This is almost, perfectly, a description of me. All except for three things...

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Handwriting is often poor.


Though, I think I have crummy handwriting, I am complimented on it quite often.

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They have few facial expressions apart from anger or misery.


I can show happiness too, though I've been told I don't seem "excited enough" so maybe there is some truth to it...

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Individuals with Asperger's are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior.


Though, after reading some of the other posts...maybe there's some truth in that. I would say definitely no on the violent (though will respond to too much torture by striking out, kicking and hitting) I did use to steal quite a lot, little things though, and when I was much younger...



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16 Oct 2008, 3:30 pm

LeeAnderson wrote:
I found a webpage with these symptoms of Asperger's listed and I was amazed because they all describe me well. Do you guys have them?

'People with Asperger's can walk and talk like normal people, but the ability to handle talking with people, dealing with people, understanding social 'cues' and even so much as going up and asking for a new cheeseburger in a restaraunt if it is made wrong without feeling like a complete idiot and fearing what the people working there are thinking of them can and will be VERY hard for them. They are very shy. Because of their lack of ability to deal with people, people with this issue often stick to themselves, often in their rooms, and they learn about their favorite subjects to the point of having encyclopedic knowledge of the subject. People with Asperger's also often have strong OCD and deal with panic attacks. They have problems being touched. So much as being hugged or touched can be a very bad experience for them. Bad posture (such as slouching and looking depressed) and unusual facial expressions (eyes that lack life/emotion) are also very common problems.

They may not be able to pick up on social cues such as being able to read others' body language and being able to start and maintain a conversation and taking turns talking. They dislike any changes in routines and appear to lack empathy. They avoid eye contact or stare at others. They talk a lot, usually about a favorite subject, so that one-sided conversations are common (uninterested in the other's person's side of the conversation), and internal thoughts are often verbalized. Handwriting is often poor. They have heightened sensitivity and become overstimulated by loud noises, lights, or strong tastes. They are often accused of being disrespectful or rude since they find that they can't comprehend expectations of appropriate social behavior and are often unable to determine the feelings of those around them. They have few facial expressions apart from anger or misery. Excellent memory. They are often 'in their own world' and have a flat, cheerless demeanor and single-mindedness. There is a distant lack of interest towards other people and the feelings of those people as well.

As the child with Asperger's becomes a teenager, the symptoms can change slightly. They want to have lots of friends but they're shy or intimidated by the task of approaching others. Childhood desires for companionship have by then become numbed through a long history of failed social encounters. They are naive and too trusting, making them victims of bullying and teasing. They can become withdrawn from society and develop symptoms of depression. At this stage, they risk being drawn into unsuitable and inappropriate friendships and social groups. People with AS often interact better with those considerably older or younger than themselves rather than those within their own age group. They have extremely low tolerance for what they percieve to be ordinary and useless tasks such as homework assignments and this can become frustrating for teachers, by whom they are regarded as a 'problem child', 'poor performer', 'ret*d', 'arrogant', 'spiteful', and 'insubordinate'. Lack of support and understanding for them can result in violent and angry outbursts. Individuals with Asperger's are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior.'

There they are. Do you guys have any or all of them?


I don't have any of them, except for the lack of emotion.



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16 Oct 2008, 9:35 pm

I'm not very naive and trusting. The others fit me though.

and that part about people with Asperger's are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior.....
While I can get violent at times, my vioelnce is toward objects and myself. Not other people. I don't tend to break rules (that make sense) much less laws.


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18 Oct 2008, 9:28 pm

liloleme wrote:
Aside from the criminal behaviour.....I mean for petes sake I cant even leave my shopping cart outside the corral LOL.


Know what you mean. I feel guilty about everything :roll: :wink: