Does anyone here actually not desire social contact?
Now, reading that sentence I just thought:
I treat people the same way.
And those people do behave like cats and search for another occupation too then hehe
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i love cats.
if i meet a cat i admire the cat very much.
i never saw a cat that i did not find aristocratic in personality.
i had cats when i was a child. i so very much adored our cats.
but where i live now, cats could not be welcome.
if i know the cat, then i will adopt him as a friend, but if it is a stranger cat that comes into my yard with all the birds and possums etc, then it will be chased off with verve.
i do not want to hurt the cat or impinge upon it's environmental territory, but it will not enter my property at this time due to my refusal. my intention is final.
I agree with b9 in that I also prefer the company of animals and find them to be complately honest and unthreatening.
my friends find it extremely odd, in fact they say that one of my biggest quirks is that if we go somewhere together and I notice an animal of any sort I immediately loose all interest in the conversation and just care about the animal lol
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not a bug - a feature.
Isn't that a bit like constantly bashing somebody else's head agin a brick wall in case someday they can work out how to teleport through it?
Not to mention a bit presumptive about how much they will get out of being on the other side anyway?
Yes. Of course, I was oversimplifying the idea. But then again, and even in “perfect”, NT-full gatherings , many social interactions involve at least some degree of “stepping over the other's shoes”; it's unavoidable, and in fact that's how you develop tolerance.
My point was that, if you avoid even trying, you're certainly never going to be able to do it, one way or the other.
...and that is perfectly fine too...as long as you are the one working out your own cost/gain equation and making your own decision about it...not some professional trying to impose it upon you.
Perfectly relevant, except for one thing: if you don't want any professional trying to help you at all, then why go to them in the first place?
And the OP hasn't given any indication whatsoever that he's actually being *forced* to be treated by them, so I have to assume he's willingly accepting being treated, counselled, or whatever.
Nevertheless, I would agree that they may not be necessarily approaching his problem correctly. If I had such professionals to attend me, I would ask them not to try and convince me of the need to keep trying, mostly because I already understand that all by myself, but rather how exactly should I try doing it.
I tend to prefer to be alone. I seem to be able to handle one intimate relationship at a time. If I have an SO, I'm abysmal at keeping up my friendships. If I'm single I can manage one good friendship. If too many people "need" me I go into meltdown mode.
I can do online friendships because they require much less. Post now and then and it's good. You don't have to show up for their birthdays, you don't have to have coffee with them, you just see them in your own good time.
I do have a need to connect with a person. But not multiple people. I just can't. Don't really want to even. Right now I'm struggling with it, but don't know how to change it. It's the way I've always been (and always have been accused of being selfish and narcissistic because I can't take care of other people). Really I want it to be ok to ignore the world. I want to be able to just go home after work (or, in my dream world, be working from home too) and not have to talk to anyone else. Maybe my SO, but that would be it. Don't have to go out unless I want to, etc.
I don't like feeling "needed". I don't like feeling like I'm responsible for anyone else's happiness. I don't mind talking to friends from time to time but I don't want to have to meet up with them and I want that to be ok. Scratch that, I think I believe I should want friends. When I really think on it, I don't. I just want people to like me, to think I'm likable, but I don't want their actual friendship. (does that make any sort of sense?)
Let's face it, the hidden agenda behind all human interaction is "How can I get this person to do what I want, but not look bad as a result?"
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Could this be some type of Schizoid overlap-comorbid thingy?
I'm no expert, but I don't think so. I feel empathy for people but I don't necessarily want contact wih people, either. I don't like being touched by people, especially strangers (in regard to hugs, hand shakes, friendly hand on shoulder, etc), and I don't have the energy nor the will to foster long-term friendships. I've had long-term friendships, but they were with very extroverted people who forced themselves into my life and I let them in, for a time. My husband is extroverted, and if he hadn't been like that from the get-go, there's no way we would have ever connected. He still complains that I ignore him, but I don't mean to. I just spend a lot of time alone, that's all. Nothing personal against him. Sometimes I wonder why he hasn't divorced me already.
I don't mind meeting people on a shallow, acquaintance-type level, but I usually leave it there. People in general are too high maintenance for me. I despiseparties and get-togethers, and I don't go out into social situations of any sort without having my arm twisted. I do get lonely, but the feeling is very fleeting. Once I get my computer booted up, get an art project started or I get a book to read, the loneliness disappears.
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I've been to sooooo many concerts, parties, get togethers. It's not like I am undersocialized.
Typical me at a party:
Find a room with very few people in it. If there is a pet who likes me, interact with the pet. If there is an interesting book, read the book. If there is nothing going on stare at the wall. If someone attempts to interact with me mumple something their way, looking at everything but them while doing this. People tell me I seem bored.
Most of the time I am thinking about things I could be doing besides being at the party.
Once a band my friend knew and was a huge fan of was at this party and she thought it was weird I wasn't trying to socialize with the band.
People I know get pissed at me for not interacting with people when they interact with me. Oh, and something else...friends have made friends with the people that tried to interact with me. They step in with the right small talks and smiles and outgoingness that I lack. My evasive looks, depressed demeanors and mumples get overlooked while better skills from others I am with get the responses. I can tell what's going on, just really tough to change how I am. Even if I did try to be like them I think it would just look contrived and fake, manipulative and glib.
I think I am lucky people have attempted communication in the first place and leave it at that. Or else it was fake to begin with. I never can tell, lol.
Oh well, at least I got to go, be with them and have fun with them even if I didn't say much and looked like I would rather be doing anything else.
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You said it perfectly! So glad to know I'm not the only one...
Typical me at a party:
Find a room with very few people in it. If there is a pet who likes me, interact with the pet. If there is an interesting book, read the book. If there is nothing going on stare at the wall. If someone attempts to interact with me mumple something their way, looking at everything but them while doing this. People tell me I seem bored.
Most of the time I am thinking about things I could be doing besides being at the party.
Once a band my friend knew and was a huge fan of was at this party and she thought it was weird I wasn't trying to socialize with the band.
People I know get pissed at me for not interacting with people when they interact with me. Oh, and something else...friends have made friends with the people that tried to interact with me. They step in with the right small talks and smiles and outgoingness that I lack. My evasive looks, depressed demeanors and mumples get overlooked while better skills from others I am with get the responses. I can tell what's going on, just really tough to change how I am. Even if I did try to be like them I think it would just look contrived and fake, manipulative and glib.
I think I am lucky people have attempted communication in the first place and leave it at that. Or else it was fake to begin with. I never can tell, lol.
Oh well, at least I got to go, be with them and have fun with them even if I didn't say much and looked like I would rather be doing anything else.
lol that seems so much like me. I often find one person at the party who is willing to get engaged in some weird conversation with me. if I can't find nobody of that sort I'd just stare at whatever untill I get bored and then leave.
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not a bug - a feature.
I like my few friends and all... but sometimes I think I'd be better off if every last human being left me alone and/or went.... somewhere not on earth.
Tell the "professionals" to shut their pieholes.
I agree. I've been told that too by "professionals," that I didn't have enough social contact and that would solve my problems. There are many times I prefer being by myself doing my thing, but others, I wish I could find people like myself to hang around with.
I'm married now and my wife is very understanding, and accepts me as I am. She knows sometimes I want to be left alone and she accomodates me. She's not in to entertaining, having people over, etc., so that works out fine too.
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Generally, I have no desire for social contact. I would be perfectly content living completely alone with a pack of dogs and some cats, living in a lighthouse... *sigh*
I do desire a solid group of friends-- people who I could actually relate to and vice versa. Those people are rare and I know I usually don't come across them. So I'm just fine with being a hermit most of the time. I could live with or without friends, I think.
It isn't necessarily that I hate social contact, period.. I just hate the whole dance that goes with it. Small talk, trying to figure out your place and what they think of you, stupid social outings that most enjoy and require for "friendship". I just want uncomplicated, real companionship (like I said above, a nice solid group of friends to talk to occasionally would be more than enough)
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