Women have the power to ruin your life

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29 Dec 2008, 3:28 am

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I've never heard of anyone making assault or rape charges stick without some kind of evidence. As a matter of fact, I've heard that rape charges are very difficult to win in court for cases of say "date rape" in which the woman might not have been particularly physical in her protests. Generally I think there has to be bruising of some kind and preferably torn skin under somebody's fingernails.


There was an amazing teacher that one of my professors knew. and one of the girls in his class told her mother than he had touched her and she wanted to switch classes. He insisted that he had never touched her.

Well her mother pressed charges and dragged the guy through the mud. Until the girl admitted she she wanted to switch classes so she could be in the same class as her friend and she thought that saying he touched her would get her switched faster. She did not stop to think of the consequences of her actions and so the career of a brilliant teacher was ruined in his 1st year teaching. It didn't matter that the charges were dropped. No parent wanted him to teach their kids and no school would risk hiring him... just because of a false accusation. His reputation was damaged and he depended on that reputation.

he quit teaching and had to find a new career.



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29 Dec 2008, 3:46 am

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So a woman can accuse someone of rape, but a man can rape. Do you really think BEING raped can't ruin someone's life?

Yes women can rape too, but men can also accuse someone of rape. Both happen rarely and are not taken seriously by police.

I get so tired of the women generalizations from the people on this website...

I fear men more than women because they're more likely to either rob me or trap me and rape me.


I would be more afraid of someone who could rape me and get away with it... or worse... rape me and then accuse me of raping them, because of prevailing ideas that men cannot be raped and women do not rape.

So yeah, I am a little tired of the women generalizations also... but I am tired of people thinking women are the victims and men are the attackers.

You are marginalizing the pain of men who have been raped or falsely accused of rape buy dismissing it entirely as... "oh yeah it happens occasionally but no one believes it and it is soo much worse when men do it to women than when women do it to men".



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29 Dec 2008, 3:51 am

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Suppose that you and some woman have a discussion or some sort of misunderstanding. Depending on how vicious the woman is, she can call the cops and tell them that you beat her up or tried to rape her. The cops will arrive and promptly arrest you, no questions asked. If you are charming and articulate enough to convince the judge that the woman in question is lying, you might get off with just a tiny little stain on your criminal record; otherwise, your life goes straight to hell, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

so yeah, I am more afraid of women than I am of men.


I have never been raped by a woman.

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I know of one guy who almost was. He got drunk at a party and passed out. Two girls took him into a locked bedroom and proceeded to strip him down and tried to get on top of him before his friend kicked down the door and pulled them off.


oh, dear! did he have to go to the hospital and submit to a rape kit examination before he could shower? did he have to go over and over it again with the police detectives? did he have to look at photos until he could look no more, and then, did he have to go thorough it all again at the trial? did he have PTSD afterwards? just wondering, it just seemed so awful for him, poor thing.

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I find it amusing that women so marginalize the fact that men can be raped that there is no rape kit for female-to-male rape that I know of. Though many men do have to submit to a rape kit from being raped by other men. But I assume that you think that because they are men... it would be as shameful or painful. Most men are so ashamed to admit to being raped by women or other men that they never let it go to trial. But from what I hear... they do have PSTD. Though my husband's friend was too drunk to remember, it freaked my husband out and he refused to let any of his friends go out drinking without a sober friend.

Though many men who are falsely accused of rape do have to go through a trial and have PSTD and lose their jobs/homes/families/reputations.

but hey, they are men... men don't have feelings, only women do.



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29 Dec 2008, 3:52 am

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actually, there are rape kits for males too. theres lots of dna spillover from both parties involved.

though I agree the trauma after the fact is much, much less for a guy than for a woman.


I was under the impression that rape kits for men can only prove whether there was vaginal intercourse or if the male was raped anally.



29 Dec 2008, 3:59 am

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ike wrote:
I've never heard of anyone making assault or rape charges stick without some kind of evidence. As a matter of fact, I've heard that rape charges are very difficult to win in court for cases of say "date rape" in which the woman might not have been particularly physical in her protests. Generally I think there has to be bruising of some kind and preferably torn skin under somebody's fingernails.


There was an amazing teacher that one of my professors knew. and one of the girls in his class told her mother than he had touched her and she wanted to switch classes. He insisted that he had never touched her.

Well her mother pressed charges and dragged the guy through the mud. Until the girl admitted she she wanted to switch classes so she could be in the same class as her friend and she thought that saying he touched her would get her switched faster. She did not stop to think of the consequences of her actions and so the career of a brilliant teacher was ruined in his 1st year teaching. It didn't matter that the charges were dropped. No parent wanted him to teach their kids and no school would risk hiring him... just because of a false accusation. His reputation was damaged and he depended on that reputation.

he quit teaching and had to find a new career.



Didn't the teacher tell everyone it was a lie and say why the girl made that up about him?

But then again people are too stupid to listen. Shame they aren't naive because then they would listen. Even if they had the girl confess it was all a lie, I bet people would still be too stupid to listen.



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29 Dec 2008, 4:13 am

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ike wrote:
I've never heard of anyone making assault or rape charges stick without some kind of evidence. As a matter of fact, I've heard that rape charges are very difficult to win in court for cases of say "date rape" in which the woman might not have been particularly physical in her protests. Generally I think there has to be bruising of some kind and preferably torn skin under somebody's fingernails.


There was an amazing teacher that one of my professors knew. and one of the girls in his class told her mother than he had touched her and she wanted to switch classes. He insisted that he had never touched her.

Well her mother pressed charges and dragged the guy through the mud. Until the girl admitted she she wanted to switch classes so she could be in the same class as her friend and she thought that saying he touched her would get her switched faster. She did not stop to think of the consequences of her actions and so the career of a brilliant teacher was ruined in his 1st year teaching. It didn't matter that the charges were dropped. No parent wanted him to teach their kids and no school would risk hiring him... just because of a false accusation. His reputation was damaged and he depended on that reputation.

he quit teaching and had to find a new career.



Didn't the teacher tell everyone it was a lie and say why the girl made that up about him?

But then again people are too stupid to listen. Shame they aren't naive because then they would listen. Even if they had the girl confess it was all a lie, I bet people would still be too stupid to listen.


he did... and they were.

what I have learned from being a bad kid... is that kids are not trustworthy, and when they tell you something you should proceed with caution (and discretely).

I also learned that people are stupid, naive and slow to overlook their biased and stereotypes. So when someone tells me something I always consider the possibility that it could be true, or false and I never let those two possibilities outweigh each other until I have collected enough evidence to make a logical decision either way. And sometimes I never make that decision.

Like my father. I still have not made a decision as to whether or not he raped me. And as I cannot remember anything... I will probably never make that decision. Comparatively, someone I know accused her father of rape after going through hypnosis where the counselor told her he thought she was raped, even though she had no signs of rape and she could not remember any incident of rape. So she went ahead and formally accused him. Could she have been raped? maybe. Did she have enough evidence to make an accusation on? no, but she did anyway. Could I have been raped? maybe. Do I have enough evidence to make an accusation on? not really.


For the same reason, if I drank myself into a stupor and woke up, not remembering anything about the night before. And I was naked laying next to a strange guy. I wouldn't file a rape complaint. I shouldn't have had so much to drink that I couldn't take care of myself, or had someone else to take care of me. And I would not be sure that I had not been a willing participant. And I could not in good conscience file a rape complaint not actually knowing if I had been raped.

it would be different if I was drinking water+roofies, as that is just not cool.

Though if you watch the second season of Dexter you will see a very disconcerting application of rohyptnol.



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29 Dec 2008, 4:30 am

First rule of man club : Never fight with a woman - a woman's readiness and capacity for a fight means that a man is no match for a woman.

I always give women the three-bags-full if they start getting uppity.

Many women appear entirely devoid of morality when it comes to winning a war, so don't imagine it's anything like having a spat with a guy.

I find myself consciously avoiding women because they're far worse bullies to me as an Aspie than men - many of them seem totally devoid of mercy or decency.

Those are my experiences.



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29 Dec 2008, 4:45 am

The statistics showing violence by men against women are truly alarming. I think generally that women have more to fear from men than vice versa. For perspective :-

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=10309



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29 Dec 2008, 4:59 am

ThisIsNotMyRealName wrote:
First rule of man club : Never fight with a woman - a woman's readiness and capacity for a fight means that a man is no match for a woman.

I always give women the three-bags-full if they start getting uppity.

Many women appear entirely devoid of morality when it comes to winning a war, so don't imagine it's anything like having a spat with a guy.

I find myself consciously avoiding women because they're far worse bullies to me as an Aspie than men - many of them seem totally devoid of mercy or decency.

Those are my experiences.


WOW, couldn't agree more with this comment from experience. Have a healthy respect for women/females in general but this guy just read my figgin mind.

Males are mere amateures if you are comparing tactics and aggression from females in winning a war. I can remember high school girls were ruthless in all conflicts, whether against male or female. They are especially merciless against there own gender.

I'm not saying they are rapists or false accusers, just awesome foes in a battle. How many times have you witnessed a couple of women having a diasgreement and some stupid male intervenes to calm things down. Lmao when the two women stop fighting set upon this fool.



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29 Dec 2008, 5:25 am

Starr wrote:
The statistics showing violence by men against women are truly alarming. I think generally that women have more to fear from men than vice versa. For perspective :-

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=10309


what are the reporting rates for men?



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29 Dec 2008, 11:54 am

Where is civilized society? Judging from this thread it doesn't exist.



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29 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Where is civilized society? Judging from this thread it doesn't exist.

Didn't they tell you ?

Society doesn't exist.
Well not according to Maggie Thatcher anyway.



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29 Dec 2008, 12:36 pm

Shiggily wrote:
Starr wrote:
The statistics showing violence by men against women are truly alarming. I think generally that women have more to fear from men than vice versa. For perspective :-

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=10309


what are the reporting rates for men?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_v ... statistics

The stats are collated differently in different countries but the general picture is that women are more likely to suffer abuse in the home by men they know. Men are more likely to suffer violence in public places, (by other men). Of course there is abuse against men in the home, by women, under-reported for various reasons. I don't condone violence by women against men, but I still think my statement that generally, women have more to fear from men than vice versa, holds true and the stats support it.



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29 Dec 2008, 1:40 pm

If women are so powerful, how come I'm on welfare? :(

I suspect that women are better at verbal violence than men are, given that women have better language skills in general. There have been some books on verbal violence in females: Queen Bees and Wannabees; Odd Girl Out. Violence is bad whoever does it.



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29 Dec 2008, 2:23 pm

Shiggily wrote:
Starr wrote:
The statistics showing violence by men against women are truly alarming. I think generally that women have more to fear from men than vice versa. For perspective :-

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=10309


what are the reporting rates for men?


Y'know, I was just about to say that without a detailed account of violence against men, those statistics are meaningless in this context.

Not meaningless as a whole, since obviously they show problems we need to address, but they can't be used by themselves to indicate a disparity between genders.

I remember a while ago I was doing a google search to find statistics on burglar alarms because I was curious to know what their market penetration is and their average cost vs. the average amount stolen (or damaged) by burglaries for a given household. I was suspicious that the alarms on average actually cost quite a lot more than the stolen property for a given household over the lifespan of the alarm. And wouldn't you know it, one of the first couple of pages I hit I immediately see the fear-mongering at work in their marketing. "In America a burglary is committed every 10 SECONDS!! !! !! !! !!" ... JESUS, MARRY, MOTHER OF GOD!! !! What the hell am I doing without an alarm??! !! I'm as likely to be robbed as I am to... umm... give birth. Oh wait... hmm... so I guess that would be UN-likely then....


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29 Dec 2008, 3:26 pm

People have been abusing each other for 10,000 years and no amount of laws or discussion is going to stop it. Its up to the individual to be proactive in minimizing the risks he/she assumes. Like the song says, "Don't cry boo hoo if you go to bed with the Devil, but don't wake up with Jesus."

Me personally, I more afraid of being screwed by the police than anyone else.