07 Feb 2009, 12:12 am
Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book 
This is - plainly spoken - a type of nonsense you find in esoteric groups of the extreme right. Hitler's biography is well known. He got his mad ideas from anti-semitic authors like von Liebenfels, how build their own strange mystic-racist ideology. This was roughly the period when "Arian" had been used the first time outside the description of Persians.
are you implying that I belong to any of such groups? I would be the last to join any of them, but I heard this theory for instance from members of the Gnosis Church in La Paz, and from a member from the Royal Geographic Society.
07 Feb 2009, 12:28 am
07 Feb 2009, 12:31 am
Loborojo wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book
This is - plainly spoken - a type of nonsense you find in esoteric groups of the extreme right. Hitler's biography is well known. He got his mad ideas from anti-semitic authors like von Liebenfels, how build their own strange mystic-racist ideology. This was roughly the period when "Arian" had been used the first time outside the description of Persians.
are you implying that I belong to any of such groups?
I do not, but there are groups in Germany how promote such idea, you find in internet-forums, open ones and closed, and there are different esoteric-extreme-right-wing-extremist groups which do promote such ideas.
Loborojo wrote:
I would be the last to join any of them, but I heard this theory for instance from members of the Gnosis Church in La Paz, and from a member from the Royal Geographic Society.
To the opposite to most other societies granted a Royal Charter, the membership in Royal Geographic Society does not indicate any qualification at all or scientific merits ( http://www.rgs.org ), but is free for anyone for a charge. I also do not think that the membership of "Gnosis Church" does provide here any further qualification.
07 Feb 2009, 12:34 am
07 Feb 2009, 12:44 am
07 Feb 2009, 1:02 am
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Aurore wrote:
:lol: This is a really great debate by the way.
I go into trances myself (not spiritually, just autohypnosis). My husband always checks to see whether or not I'm 'present' by using a series of tester statements like "I just pooped in your shoes" to see if I react.
Sometimes it's almost like meditation, other times I just get utterly lost in my interests and it's almost impossible to snap me out of it.
I go into trances myself (not spiritually, just autohypnosis). My husband always checks to see whether or not I'm 'present' by using a series of tester statements like "I just pooped in your shoes" to see if I react.
Sometimes it's almost like meditation, other times I just get utterly lost in my interests and it's almost impossible to snap me out of it.
Aurore, my ex has spent 8 years doing the same...... oh and the trances were not a reason for the break up.......
07 Feb 2009, 1:12 am
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07 Feb 2009, 1:50 am
Loborojo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
you can find wise things in many wise books
E.g. in I. Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Bronshtein's Handbook of Mathematics.
Not to mention "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto."
Many people considered Adolf and Karl to be wise men writing their wisdom in books, but history has dis-proven those fallacies, as well.
Kant and Brohnshtein are two of my favorite realist authors, by the way.
It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book
my gawd, Godwin's Law so early in the discussion??
Merle
07 Feb 2009, 1:57 am
07 Feb 2009, 2:03 am
07 Feb 2009, 9:31 am
Loborojo wrote:
Do you think that aspies have a higher sensitivity to go into (shamanic) trance. I just want to know why I get so easily in trance after intake of hallucinogenics.
I read that Shamans have a certain neurotic disposition, and I thought autism has to do with the different connection of our neurons in our brain.
I read that Shamans have a certain neurotic disposition, and I thought autism has to do with the different connection of our neurons in our brain.
A novel theory occured to me when i read this last night, and seeing the various replies today hasnt shaken it.
autism has (rightly or wrongly) been associated with a reduced capacity for information travelling between the 2 hemispheres of the brain. One side is said to be ruled by the intellect, logic & rationalism. The other side is intuitive, here people draw knowledge from within. Ideally both sides will be equally active, complimenting each other but modern society is dominated by a bias.
I heard an amazing account recently of a woman who described in great detail here experience of having a stroke, during this her consciousness shifted from one hemisphere to the other.
If you consider aspie stereotypes, there is a tendancy towards rational thinking, obeying rules, seeking 'verified, provable' information from without. They will tend to rationalise or override the subtle ephiphanies produced by their intuition. But then on the other hand you have another aspie stereotype who are less organised, perhaps more artistic. They may have difficulty with aspects of concensus reality develop strengths in other, intuitive ways - they think its valid to seek knowledge from within, and not be bound by rationalism. Perhaps we can swap sides, or even work towards cohesion, but there will be a tendancy towards bias.
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07 Feb 2009, 9:43 am
07 Feb 2009, 9:51 am
07 Feb 2009, 10:49 am
Loborojo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
you can find wise things in many wise books
E.g. in I. Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Bronshtein's Handbook of Mathematics.
Not to mention "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto."
Many people considered Adolf and Karl to be wise men writing their wisdom in books, but history has dis-proven those fallacies, as well.
Kant and Brohnshtein are two of my favorite realist authors, by the way.
It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book
Didn't Aliester Crowly even say he believed "entities" to be some sort of manifestation of one's own thoughts?
And Illuminati? What didn't they "do"?
07 Feb 2009, 10:55 am
kiransalee wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
you can find wise things in many wise books
E.g. in I. Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Bronshtein's Handbook of Mathematics.
Not to mention "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto."
Many people considered Adolf and Karl to be wise men writing their wisdom in books, but history has dis-proven those fallacies, as well.
Kant and Brohnshtein are two of my favorite realist authors, by the way.
It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book
Didn't Aliester Crowly even say he believed "entities" to be some sort of manifestation of one's own thoughts?
And Illuminati? What didn't they "do"?
And what about the heavey metal guys, like Ozzy Osborne? They had some pretty lucid visions.
07 Feb 2009, 12:00 pm
