Does this kid have Asperger's? (Spelling Bee champion)

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07 Feb 2009, 3:57 pm

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Well, it DOES illustrate how STUPID that "interview" was! SHE did the same sort of thing.
Except that she was seriously trying to make him look bad. :roll:

Jimmy Kimmel was just playing around. Evan was the straight man surrounded by baffoons. Kimmel's version made a joke about pronouncing the word wrong and asking Evan to spell it, but this version was intended to make the audience sympathize with the right person. It would have been funny, but I was still too pissed off at that CNN bimbo.

I notice that no one posted a comment on either of the Kimmel links. I guess humor only sells when it's nasty.



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07 Feb 2009, 4:11 pm

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...his parents deny he has Asperger's...
Oops. I got caught up and forgot. My general rule is that people who are still alive should have a right to privacy, that if he doesn't want to be our poster boy, he should be left alone. :oops:
Einstein is still fair game. 8)



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07 Feb 2009, 4:25 pm

I don't know if he is or not, excellent speller, anyway. He did seem really awkward.
The way he was talking and interacting didn't really annoy me and the interviewer seemed pretty patient and nice.
What annoys me more than the way he interacts are the grownups who use his way of responding as an excuse to hate him. I know what that's like. They hold it against you and use it as an excuse to not like as much as the other kids. They tell other grownups that you are a weird, obnoxious smart alec who isn't worthy. It's not fair.



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07 Feb 2009, 5:23 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Well, it DOES illustrate how STUPID that "interview" was! SHE did the same sort of thing.
Except that she was seriously trying to make him look bad. :roll:

Jimmy Kimmel was just playing around. Evan was the straight man surrounded by baffoons. Kimmel's version made a joke about pronouncing the word wrong and asking Evan to spell it, but this version was intended to make the audience sympathize with the right person. It would have been funny, but I was still too pissed off at that CNN bimbo.

I notice that no one posted a comment on either of the Kimmel links. I guess humor only sells when it's nasty.


You're RIGHT! I wasn't really saying anything against Jimmy Kimmel. The one word Kimmel got right DID have him saying.... "Well, I'm going to ASSUME you mean jaundice". And the bumble bee character DID make it all OBVIOUS! HECK, with scripps, the others HELP! They don't simply confirm mistakes, etc...

And Kimmel DID talk about all the other things Evan does, and he didn't ONCE mention Tuna or subway! Kimmel makes a living at poking fun at various things. Reporters are SUPPOSED to simply tell the truth.



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07 Feb 2009, 6:27 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
sbcmetroguy wrote:
...his parents deny he has Asperger's...
Oops. I got caught up and forgot. My general rule is that people who are still alive should have a right to privacy, that if he doesn't want to be our poster boy, he should be left alone. :oops:
Einstein is still fair game. 8)


It was not he who denied it, it was his parents. Perhaps they refuse to seek a diagnosis because they are afraid. People are so afraid of the word "autism" as if it changes something. A diagnosed autistic person is still the same person they were before the diagnosis, there is just a name for it now. But some people seem to think, for whatever reason, that by avoiding a diagnosis, their child will not be autistic.

Still, I agree that people should have the right to privacy. I am a very private person, so I definitely agree with that.



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07 Feb 2009, 6:56 pm

Well, between the voice, the way he moves, his interests, seeking solitary interests, the TYPES of interests, the finding patterns, the "ADD", the memory/learning style, desire to tell the truth, shyness, apparent lack of humor, delay in replying, I would be SHOCKED if an AS specialist said he didn't have AS.

By HEY, some of those are GOOD things, or lead to good things. Most others are either insignificant or not likely to be a problem.



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08 Feb 2009, 10:53 am

I was interested to notice how the presenter (or, perhaps, the producer behind the presenter) did not even seem to think it necessary to specify the language of the word SCOMBRIDAE in advance or even to state that it was foreign. Contrast that with the boy, who was immediately trying to establish a contextual framework within which he could proceed to spell the word. By asking if the word was in French, he was probably setting out to confirm or eliminate the spellings DET and DÉ for the suffix, whereas Latin provided a clue to the DAE spelling. He may have said DAY if he had been told that the word was in English. Similarly, he may have wondered if it was an ancient Greek word, beginning SCHOM. There are simply too many variables and the boy had sufficient pattern perception and categorisation to address that issue from the outset. The tv people either did not have that same sense or else they were deliberately testing his categorisation.



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08 Feb 2009, 11:00 am

I thought the boy had a lot of fortitude to get through that interview. I would have been too nervous or told the woman what an idiot she was for asking certain questions.



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08 Feb 2009, 11:02 am

Here is another video of his other hobbies. He doesn't even like spelling the most.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFGz0IkfP30[/youtube]



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08 Feb 2009, 11:13 am

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This is why I keep harping on the NT-bias. I wouldn’t mind if people used a word like “non-standard,” but to say “inappropriate” is incorrect and belittling. What’s wrong with being sane, honest, in control and knowing yourself? The kid was mature and surprisingly comfortable for a TV interview. He just didn’t put on the proper show that the sicko “reality TV” audience wants to see. Newsflash, gang – Jerry Springer is not reality, and his guests are not normal, or even real.

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Flat emotional effect, or at least it is suppressed when he's placed under the pressure of an interview.
That’s not suppressed. That's simple honesty (one of the worst crimes of all). That is a normal reaction for some people. It’s just “flat” compared to the way people act on low-brow TV these days. (They are NOT normal or real or honest. They are just entertaining to some people.) He was acting exactly the way I would have felt. Some people get so crazy that my impulse is to question their honesty.

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He said he wasn't surprised, but I'd bet he was. I'd bet he went into the competition not really knowing what to expect of the outcome.
Why would he be surprised? He’d been working toward this moment for a long time and probably figured it would be like taking candy from a baby. She wanted a song and dance that he just didn’t have. A geek won a spelling bee. Now he has to stop being a geek and pretend to be an idiot? To voluntarily feed himself the jackals.

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Saying "we" when he probably meant "I"
He meant “we.” His mom was his teacher and coach. They worked hard on it.

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Interpreted literally the question about what his mom said, and didn't know. Most people would automatically know, or would think to ask mom and remember what she said, or at least be smooth about making something up that probably fits the truth reasonably.
Most people would lie and/or make something up and would be smooth about it. That is not something to encourage. That is a disease. In other words, most people are so crazy that they don’t even know when they are lying, and demand that everyone share their disease.

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The subway sandwich thing threw him for a loop. Why did she throw that in there? I bet that didn't make any sense to him, and he didn't know what to do with it.
I’m still not sure what that was all about. It would have stumped me until I was sure of what she meant, and then I would have been annoyed and/or insulted.

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The NT response to that question would have been something to the effect of saying that he eats the sandwiches, rather than freeze up and interpret the question literally. The literal answer is "No, I ate at the dinner provided at the contest." which wasn't what the reporter was looking for. It was a product placement, and I'd bet he came away thinking the intent was a little dishonest, if he thought about it afterward.
I got the feeling she that was pushing for some superstitious answer, like athletes who need a lucky shirt. Since he’s not built that way (not a lunatic) the question stumped him.

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As for the youtube comments… People will come up with mean things to say and do seemingly without reason.
People are sick and have no idea what they’re doing or why. It’s just mindless fascism.

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As for the reporter: She's definitely NT. Smooth talker, hides her irritation well, (though I caught onto a bit of condescension in the "brain food comment?)
“Irritation?” She said stupid, crazy things, expected him to follow, and was irritated when he didn’t take the bait. And no, she didn’t attempt to hide it at all. It was so blatant that we all caught it. She was making a conscious effort to be a insulting, but with plausible deniability. Can you say, “emotional dishonesty" or "passive-aggressive?”

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…and doesn't miss a beat despite not always having her facts straight (…facts about his food consumption).
She had the facts wrong, made an insulting assumption about his motives that was based on her incorrect facts, wanted to ridicule him for her own hallucination, and got mad at him for not giving her the ammo she craved. There was no way for him to win that one.

"You can't cheat an honest man." She tried to set him up, but he didn't fall for it because he was honest and wasn't playing. If he had time to think about it (he didn't) the choices would have been (a) pretend to be a jerk and feed yourself to the jackals, allowing them to ridicule and giving them an excuse to hate you; or (b) be honest, and give them enough rope to hang themselves. The truth is that they don't have an excuse to hate him. He didn't do anything wrong. They hate him because he didn't give them an excuse to hate him.

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Interesting to know he has an official diagnosis.
Does he? I thought we were just speculating.


Very well put.



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08 Feb 2009, 12:53 pm

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I was interested to notice how the presenter (or, perhaps, the producer behind the presenter) did not even seem to think it necessary to specify the language of the word SCOMBRIDAE in advance or even to state that it was foreign. Contrast that with the boy, who was immediately trying to establish a contextual framework within which he could proceed to spell the word. By asking if the word was in French, he was probably setting out to confirm or eliminate the spellings DET and DÉ for the suffix, whereas Latin provided a clue to the DAE spelling. He may have said DAY if he had been told that the word was in English. Similarly, he may have wondered if it was an ancient Greek word, beginning SCHOM. There are simply too many variables and the boy had sufficient pattern perception and categorisation to address that issue from the outset. The tv people either did not have that same sense or else they were deliberately testing his categorisation.


You're right. Evan was using tricks and advice that are EVEN on the scripps site ITSELF! He wasn't doing ANYTHING unique or even unusual. To a decent person, one with even half a brain, one that has EVER seen the scripps spelling bee, that "presenter" looked like an IDIOT! Without knowledge of the word, or a root word, spelling that word reliably correct would have been impossible without the info he asked. I'm SHOCKED that most people commenting on his video don't realize that. Frankly, based on how poorly they handled it, I think he did a GREAT job at spelling the word. Nobody is perfect, and he never claimed to be.



08 Feb 2009, 2:37 pm

His mother is very proud of him.



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08 Feb 2009, 3:40 pm

I'm not sure myself. I would say it does look like he could have Asperger's, but he could have just been nervous on that video.


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08 Feb 2009, 3:47 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
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I was interested to notice how the presenter (or, perhaps, the producer behind the presenter) did not even seem to think it necessary to specify the language of the word SCOMBRIDAE in advance or even to state that it was foreign. Contrast that with the boy, who was immediately trying to establish a contextual framework within which he could proceed to spell the word. By asking if the word was in French, he was probably setting out to confirm or eliminate the spellings DET and DÉ for the suffix, whereas Latin provided a clue to the DAE spelling. He may have said DAY if he had been told that the word was in English. Similarly, he may have wondered if it was an ancient Greek word, beginning SCHOM. There are simply too many variables and the boy had sufficient pattern perception and categorisation to address that issue from the outset. The tv people either did not have that same sense or else they were deliberately testing his categorisation.


You're right. Evan was using tricks and advice that are EVEN on the scripps site ITSELF! He wasn't doing ANYTHING unique or even unusual. To a decent person, one with even half a brain, one that has EVER seen the scripps spelling bee, that "presenter" looked like an IDIOT! Without knowledge of the word, or a root word, spelling that word reliably correct would have been impossible without the info he asked. I'm SHOCKED that most people commenting on his video don't realize that. Frankly, based on how poorly they handled it, I think he did a GREAT job at spelling the word. Nobody is perfect, and he never claimed to be.

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08 Feb 2009, 5:54 pm

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RarePegs wrote:
I was interested to notice how the presenter (or, perhaps, the producer behind the presenter) did not even seem to think it necessary to specify the language of the word SCOMBRIDAE in advance or even to state that it was foreign. Contrast that with the boy, who was immediately trying to establish a contextual framework within which he could proceed to spell the word. By asking if the word was in French, he was probably setting out to confirm or eliminate the spellings DET and DÉ for the suffix, whereas Latin provided a clue to the DAE spelling. He may have said DAY if he had been told that the word was in English. Similarly, he may have wondered if it was an ancient Greek word, beginning SCHOM. There are simply too many variables and the boy had sufficient pattern perception and categorisation to address that issue from the outset. The tv people either did not have that same sense or else they were deliberately testing his categorisation.


You're right. Evan was using tricks and advice that are EVEN on the scripps site ITSELF! He wasn't doing ANYTHING unique or even unusual. To a decent person, one with even half a brain, one that has EVER seen the scripps spelling bee, that "presenter" looked like an IDIOT! Without knowledge of the word, or a root word, spelling that word reliably correct would have been impossible without the info he asked. I'm SHOCKED that most people commenting on his video don't realize that. Frankly, based on how poorly they handled it, I think he did a GREAT job at spelling the word. Nobody is perfect, and he never claimed to be.

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What don't you understand? I was simply agreeing with squarepegs, and saying that evans did what ANY other person that was from the scripps be, and followed THEIR methods, would do. The "presenter"s crew and all should have KNOWN that! It was a GIVEN! They expected him to spell it with no real info. He came VERY close even with all that against him.

The presenter was either TRYING to make him look bad, or just jumping in without even having seen the website or the contest.



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08 Feb 2009, 6:03 pm

Just because the kid is great at spelling doesn't mean he or she has AS

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