Why doe so many aspies wind up in mental wards?

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08 Feb 2009, 11:47 pm

At the place where I went, they wouldn't let us take food back to our rooms, so I just never ate.

That would have gone well if I'd have been involuntary and stayed a few weeks.



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09 Feb 2009, 12:03 am

Someone who would make such a poor diagnosis would probably be the type that just goes off a checklist and generalizes what they see an AS person do and may think they are crazy.

Diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia that could be confused with AS symptoms:

disorganized speech
flat or inappropriate affect
peculiarities of voluntary movement as evidenced by posturing, stereotyped movements,
extreme negativism, mustism
Social/occupational dysfunction
hallucinations (could be confused with being so dreamy if the person mentions it).



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09 Feb 2009, 12:18 am

Answer: The BS expectations and demands of the myriad Neurotypical societies.


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09 Feb 2009, 11:19 am

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I was the only person who took his food back to his room as the cafeteria was far too loud and people spoke too much (plus, I never went to any of the group thingies they wanted me to go to).


The only one?

I didn't think that would be that unusual.

I consider it the most normal thing ever to retreat to your room especially when you're in a group setting like that. Caged with lots of noisy people speaking and doing some therapy sort of thing all day long. Being far from home with no means of going home when you want to.
I can't imagine that most non-autistic people would willingly participate in that for more than half a day.

What an odd place you've been to.


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09 Feb 2009, 5:17 pm

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Because slowly were all going crazy.

Some faster than others.

Im sure of it.

If there is a god, we are his cruel experiments and he sits up there on his clouds timing how long it takes for us to completely lose our minds.



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09 Feb 2009, 5:23 pm

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Why do so many apsies find their way into the psych system?

Just how many is "So Many"?
because We so many must get serious mental health problems.

No, you misunderstood. I was asking for a number, or at least a percentage, that describes the quantity alluded to by the use of the phrase "so many."



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09 Feb 2009, 5:29 pm

I was in about 4 mental wards..I had no idea that it was common in aspies.

Most of mine pertained to suicidal attempts and messes I'd get in while intoxicated. I remember getting intoxicated so bad that I wouldn't remember the stuff that happened before I was put into a psych ward. My drinking was out of control in such a short period of time. I was only 21 when all of this happened and didn't start drinking till I was 18 so it didn't take long.

After being in and out of rehabs, I've been much more stable mentally as well as clean and sober. I try to make it an importance that I see my doctor as much as possible...which I really don't like to do. So I'm wondering if maybe my using had a lot to do with that. Then again, I've seen so many people drink and use who don't normally end up in psych wards or do as much crazy things as I did. Maybe aspergers and drinking just don't go along together with me.


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09 Feb 2009, 8:03 pm

I cite my incarceration in a mental ward, relatively often on WP. For me, it was very similar to many people posting about it - An un-diagnosed aspie's reactions to meltdown is seen by psychiatrists as something different. He pinned a label of paranoid schizophrenia on me. I got out when my insurance stopped paying for it. After evaluating my responses to a long questionaire that I was given, the insurance company probably realized that the psychiatrist was full of s**t.


Here's something to ponder:
• There aren't any pharamceuticals for treating AS.
• Psychiatrists are not required to have studied any psychology.
• Most psychiatrists refuse to recognise AS.


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09 Feb 2009, 10:16 pm

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Here's something to ponder:
• There aren't any pharamceuticals for treating AS.
• Psychiatrists are not required to have studied any psychology.
• Most psychiatrists refuse to recognise AS.


I know that they attempt to treat AS with pharmaceuticals (like anti-depressants and... for some reason, anti-psychotics), but is it seriously true that psychiatrists aren't required to have studied psychology?

Every psychiatrist I've come across hasn't recognized AS. So, yeah. I believe that part. That's why I'm trying to get an emergency visit with my neuropsychologist (who is busy as hell and hours awy) before I end up in "jail" (as I called it) again.



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09 Feb 2009, 10:19 pm

I was in one twice when I was 20.

My first time was for a week, and my second time was for 3 days.

They were both because I was very emotionally unstable at the time (9 years ago), and it was because I was very upset about my first girlfriend cheating on me the year before.



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09 Feb 2009, 11:15 pm

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before I end up in "jail" (as I called it) again.


oh, don't confuse it with real jail. I have been in jail. I wonder if I should start a thread "how many Aspies have been in jail?"

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09 Feb 2009, 11:18 pm

MizLiz wrote:
Flismflop wrote:
Here's something to ponder:
• There aren't any pharamceuticals for treating AS.
• Psychiatrists are not required to have studied any psychology.
• Most psychiatrists refuse to recognise AS.

I know that they attempt to treat AS with pharmaceuticals (like anti-depressants and... for some reason, anti-psychotics),

There are general pharmaceuticals used to treat things like depression but, none that can make someone neurotypical.

MizLiz wrote:
but is it seriously true that psychiatrists aren't required to have studied psychology?

Every psychiatrist I've come across hasn't recognized AS. So, yeah. I believe that part. That's why I'm trying to get an emergency visit with my neuropsychologist (who is busy as hell and hours awy) before I end up in "jail" (as I called it) again.

My psychologist told me that psychiatrists aren't required to lhave studied any psychology. Based on my experience with psychiatrists, it seems entirely plausible. The primary purpose of psychiatry is to perscribe drugs. Since there aren't any drugs that treat AS, the psychiatrists refuse to recognise it.


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09 Feb 2009, 11:43 pm

Wow. That explains SO much.

The last psychiatrist I saw (this was because my neurologist wasn't comfortable with writing a prescription for one of my medications since it can cause psychological side effects) kept wanting to put me on anti-depressants after I told her I'm AS. I kept saying... I'm not depressed. She kept saying I'm not AS.

Finally I told her "People like me, and I think you know damned well what I mean by this, rely a lot on logic and proof. PROVE to me that I'm depressed and I'll take whatever you give me."

Then I fired her ass.

Apparently, there's no actual way to prove (and I mean scientifically prove) depression. You just have to "guess".



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10 Feb 2009, 12:23 am

nightbender wrote:
Why do so many apsies find their way into the psych system?


Honestly, I was unaware that that this was the case, especially nowadays with all the heightened awareness of the Autistic Spectrum. Looking back, I actually WAS in real danger of being institutionalized at the age of 11 and 12 but since my mom once worked in a looneybin she wad determined NOT to have me sent there knowing that I'd come out worse than when I came in. 8O



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10 Feb 2009, 12:31 am

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The ones that do could go in because they've withdrawn from everyone and are silent, and schizophrenia is considered. They could be melting down a lot and a mood disorder could be considered.


When I read this thread I personally can identify several things...

I was hospitalized in 2002 and got the recommendation to take anti-psychotic medicine called Zyprexa. Since I'm a anti-drug person myself, I was sceptic at first but when I heard that the reason of the medication was to make me more resistant to stress and that my low weight was going to get up a bit, I felt that it was important to follow this recommendation from the doctor.

I stopped to take the Zyprexa medicine sometime in 2004 and I haven't ever gone back to the medication. It didn't work for me. Besides, in 2005 I trained Kendo and there I definitely felt that I needed to feel as focused as possible during my training and the Zyprexa could never have given me what I needed in that sense. I also decided to not to take any painkillers of any kind, because pain is not something I have chosen to escape from. It's part of the training. I continued the training for 2 years and took 2 grades. (maybe I'm getting a little off topic now, but the Kendo was very interesting and I liked it, so I chose to bring up the topic.)

Being quiet is a part of my personality and although I can speak loud and so on etc . etc.. I often choose not to do so.


Have you ever looked at the side effects for Zyprexa? One of the listed side effects is "death." I'm surprised Sweden allowed that crap med to be prescribed there.


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10 Feb 2009, 4:42 am

For me I was almost put away to the funny farm. It was a over zealous school phycologiest after a meltdown. My parents saw what was happening and took me out of school.

I would think it would be stress. I can see it in my own life.


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