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Should aspies have kids?
Yes 69%  69%  [ 75 ]
No 9%  9%  [ 10 ]
Look! A Puppy! 22%  22%  [ 24 ]
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16 Apr 2009, 4:24 pm

Sure we should, provided we can supply them with what they need to grow into well-rounded and healthy adults. And that depends entirely on the individual.

There are some areas where we might struggle more than regular people, but an AS parent or parents might have its upsides too.

While we might have difficulty connecting sufficiently at an emotional level, I imagine the home environment would be one that supports independent thinking, individualism and values learning.


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17 Apr 2009, 12:39 am

Kangoogle wrote:
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We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?

Not at all - imagine if we were all to go out and deliberately donate to sperm banks. The political consequences would be very beneficial for us all.

As when we choose not to play cuckoo, we have to think of the difference between raising an Aspie and an NT. I reckon personally I would would find the former easier to do to be honest.


Lying on sperm donation forms might be a felony. Fraud, maybe? Then again, not everyone here who has it has been officially diagnosed. Hm.

But hey, it's your f****d up crusade because you're the one with a persecution complex.



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17 Apr 2009, 1:14 am

Anyone should be allowed to have kids.

I want to have kids one day. I'd still love them all the same. Doesn't matter if they're NT, aspie, LFA, three-legged, etc.



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17 Apr 2009, 2:25 am

Most aspies dont get the chance to have kids anyway.



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17 Apr 2009, 6:53 am

MizLiz wrote:
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We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?

Not at all - imagine if we were all to go out and deliberately donate to sperm banks. The political consequences would be very beneficial for us all.

As when we choose not to play cuckoo, we have to think of the difference between raising an Aspie and an NT. I reckon personally I would would find the former easier to do to be honest.


Lying on sperm donation forms might be a felony. Fraud, maybe? Then again, not everyone here who has it has been officially diagnosed. Hm.

But hey, it's your f**** up crusade because you're the one with a persecution complex.

That would be utterly hilarious if they put anyone on trial for it. Just think of what they would have to prove. In fact, they would in effect have to put AS on trial itself. Or even better, actually decide what AS is.

As for crusading, I never said that I was on one. But I certainly would like to see some changes in society and I doubt we are the only group. I wouldn't regard an honest belief in improving society as a crusade.



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17 Apr 2009, 7:13 am

Kangoogle wrote:
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Kangoogle wrote:
MizLiz wrote:
We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?

Not at all - imagine if we were all to go out and deliberately donate to sperm banks. The political consequences would be very beneficial for us all.

As when we choose not to play cuckoo, we have to think of the difference between raising an Aspie and an NT. I reckon personally I would would find the former easier to do to be honest.


Lying on sperm donation forms might be a felony. Fraud, maybe? Then again, not everyone here who has it has been officially diagnosed. Hm.

But hey, it's your f**** up crusade because you're the one with a persecution complex.

That would be utterly hilarious if they put anyone on trial for it. Just think of what they would have to prove. In fact, they would in effect have to put AS on trial itself. Or even better, actually decide what AS is.


:lmao: Yeah I can see it now. As the yahoo page loads, it would probably make one of those headlines with the picture. What would they use for the picture I wonder?



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17 Apr 2009, 8:01 am

Tantybi wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
MizLiz wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
MizLiz wrote:
We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?

Not at all - imagine if we were all to go out and deliberately donate to sperm banks. The political consequences would be very beneficial for us all.

As when we choose not to play cuckoo, we have to think of the difference between raising an Aspie and an NT. I reckon personally I would would find the former easier to do to be honest.


Lying on sperm donation forms might be a felony. Fraud, maybe? Then again, not everyone here who has it has been officially diagnosed. Hm.

But hey, it's your f**** up crusade because you're the one with a persecution complex.

That would be utterly hilarious if they put anyone on trial for it. Just think of what they would have to prove. In fact, they would in effect have to put AS on trial itself. Or even better, actually decide what AS is.


:lmao: Yeah I can see it now. As the yahoo page loads, it would probably make one of those headlines with the picture. What would they use for the picture I wonder?

The very very evil suspect who is running around polluting the gene pool no doubt. Who knows they might even get hold of a mugshot to use...



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17 Apr 2009, 8:27 am

Most of the Aspies who are severely affected wouldn't get the chance to have kids anyways. Though some probably would. It is amazing some of the people that are able to procreate. It brings to mind the movie "I am Sam" where a ret*d man manages to impregnate a homeless woman and have a little girl. The movie is fictional, but it is a realistic portrayal of what can happen. One homely slack-jawed severe autistic is my social group has had a son.

Most autistic women (rare I know) could have children because a man will f**k anything.



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17 Apr 2009, 8:39 am

I'd love to have kids of my own, and nothing is going to stop me, when the time comes. For aspies who want to have kids, i say go for the family jewels and don't worry about what the Pro-Nazi people tell you. :)


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17 Apr 2009, 11:01 am

To be honest, if people really want to sit around an try to solve the world's problems through controlling reproductive rights, I would say Autism genes would be the last on the list (with NT's above them). Seriously, if you are concerned about who can reproduce and who can't, how many crack babies are out there? What about the women who reproduce just to increase that welfare check? Why stop at the big things? The world has no idea how to draw a line, so let's keep going. If a woman is to be pregnant, let's monitor everything she does during her pregnancy including illegal drugs, prescription drugs, legal drugs like caffeine, nutra sweet, and nicotine, and let's also not allow her to lift anything over a certain weight, including her other children, etc. We better make sure she doesn't have sex or any blood transfusions because then she runs the risk of giving her baby different diseases. We don't need to make men more responsible to help these women do we, since this is a world ran by men and God forbid anyone of them step up to the plate. No, women deserve a life of servitude if they choose to reproduce. Then after they have the kids, we have to force them into being stay at home moms so that the kids are getting proper treatment. All have to breastfeed, no wait, formula is better, no breast feeding is best, no formula is safer, wait, what if the woman can't breastfeed, well then to make it consistent, we go formula, but if we go formula what about soy or milk? No, soy is bad. No, what if the baby has a milk allergy?

Sounds pretty stupid and irrational if you ask me. Also, since science cannot determine what gene causes autism, or if the one that causes autism is the same as the one that causes aspergers, or how to test for this gene or anything of that nature, then it's even more silly to talk about monitoring the reproductive rights of people we cannot determine to actually have the problem, if it is even a real problem, or are we going to base this on psychology's opinion? Because it might be easier if Astrology can determine this by your sun sign.



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17 Apr 2009, 12:18 pm

I'm not sure on this one. I've almost decided not to have children because a) I don't think I'm capable of raising a child and b) I don't know if I really want to bring a child into the world as it is now.

It all really depends on who I have the child with.


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17 Apr 2009, 12:25 pm

I don't want children myself; but the right to have them is fundamental and shouldn't be taken away from anyone, disabled or not. (Someone who can't take care of kids might be forced to adopt them out, though; I see no problem with that, and there are so many people waiting for children.) We've done the eugenics thing before, and look where it got us--institutions, forced sterilization, the belief that "a normal life" is the most important thing, the idea that disabled means defective. No more of that. We know what happened before. Let's not do it again.


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17 Apr 2009, 1:03 pm

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I don't want children myself; but the right to have them is fundamental and shouldn't be taken away from anyone, disabled or not. (Someone who can't take care of kids might be forced to adopt them out, though; I see no problem with that, and there are so many people waiting for children.) We've done the eugenics thing before, and look where it got us--institutions, forced sterilization, the belief that "a normal life" is the most important thing, the idea that disabled means defective. No more of that. We know what happened before. Let's not do it again.


Yeah, that's another thing to consider too. I have thought about having a child but letting someone else raise him or her. The important thing to me is that I leave a legacy but someone more capable than I am raises the child. If I were to be married, have children, and get divorced, I would give sole custody to the mother simply because I couldn't raise a child on my own. So for me, it's not so much about having a child with AS but about my own limits on raising a child because of my own AS.

And about "normalcy" There is really no such thing as normal, we are all different and society needs to learn and accept that. Wow, that sounds like a pipe dream to me personally. :lol:


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18 Apr 2009, 1:17 am

Aspies shouldn't question their ability to connect, on an emotional level, with future children of theirs, unless they foresee themselves being away from them for a considerable amount of time early on. Your offspring would know you since Day One so they're not going to misinterpret what you convey to them. You already know the unique ways that aspies see things, so an aspie child is not going to be a new concept to you. And if your child turns out to be NT, they're still going to see you and the other parent as the most normal and trustworthy people in existance.


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18 Apr 2009, 2:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Two NTs can have an aspie.


But two Chinese cannot have a Caucasian proving once again that two Wongs do not make a White.

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Neither of my parents have AS. I still got it.



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18 Apr 2009, 2:22 am

They say that it's genetic in 90% of cases.

They speculate that females with lesser-variants of autism show very little symptoms, and these females are the ones who pass it on in a good portion of the cases.

If two parents have an ASD, it's close to 100% that their children will have one; if one parent carries the gene, it's 50% then.