Aspergers and above average IQ

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There are people who lack social skills, due to their mental retardation.

Asperger's differentiates those who lack social skills due to mental retardation from those who lack social skills, but their lack of social skills can NOT be attributed to mental retardation. That's why people with IQs under 70 aren't typically considered for an Asperger's diagnosis.

But if they have MR alone, they do not fulfill the criteria for autism-specific social impairments.



You're not considering all the autistics (i.e., those who fulfill the social impairment criteria for autism) who have MR.

This is exactly what I am talking about; where is the proof for this claim! I know for a fact that this is fallacious. My ex partner works with aspergers kids, who by the way all have IQ's below 70

Autistics with IQs of around 70 still do not develop social skills according to their developmental level.

A person with Down's Syndrome, for example, develops social skills appropriate to their developmental level. Though, certainly it is different for people with very low IQs such as 30 or 40, these severely impaired people won't develop much social skills at all because they have no understanding of the world around them.

But if they have MR alone, they do not fulfill the criteria for autism-specific social impairments

Asperger's differentiates those who lack social skills due to mental retardation from those who lack social skills, but their lack of social skills can NOT be attributed to mental retardation. That's why people with IQs under 70 aren't typically considered for an Asperger's diagnosis.

Autism has autism-specific social impairments that cover all IQ levels. The autism social impairment criteria are all that's required to distinguish autism-specific social impairments (at any IQ level) from any social impairments related to other conditions such as MR.

This is because autism social impairments are qualitatively different to other social impairments. Autism social impairments produce a recognisable pattern across all IQ levels.

Katie_WPG's point was that people below IQs of 70 were excluded from AS to distinguish the social skill deficits from those social skills deficits caused by MR. But all that's required to do that is apply the autism-specific social criteria, irrespective of IQ level, so it's a redundant point.

It's not a claim, it's part of the diagnostic criteria. To be diagnosed with Asperger's you have to have an average or above average IQ otherwise you will be diagnosed with a different Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

My point was to back up what Katie was saying. You seem to have missed the main idea in her post.

You replied to Katie:




This was exactly the point she was trying to make.

I agree that she was not considering non-AS ASD people. Traditional autism is usually comes with MR and social impairment inconsistent with developmental level.

The point of Asperger's only being diagnosed in those with IQ > 70 is because it is believed Asperger's does not affect intellectual development. People with IQ < 70 often have some kind of "brain damage" caused by disease or trauma.

Tradition autism lowers IQ, Asperger's does not. It is unlikely someone with Asperger's alone will have IQ < 70.

If you are so sure of this, you must have access to this particular diagnostic criteria. If so could you please publish it, because I have looked for this and can find it nowhere.

As to the idea that I am trolling All I am trying to do is discover the facts and not the urban myths. If discovering that it is possible to have a below average IQ and also have aspergers offends 'your'* sense of superiority well tough.

With regard to Intellectual Disability and IQ as I understand it if you have an IQ below 70 you are considered to have an ID. However I stand ready to be corrected.

PS * 'your' refers to anyone and may of may not include Hala

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

Classic autism does not lower IQ-it has a wider IQ acceptance at both ends than aspergers does

In contrast to Autistic Disorder, Mental Retardation is not usually observed in Asperger's Disorder, although occasional cases in which Mild Mental Retardation is present have been noted (e.g.,when the Mental Retardation becomes apparent only in the school years, with no apparent cognitive or language delay in the first years of life).

Sadly I have a negative IQ. I actually have no brain aka "Anencephaly" but I have a less severe version of it, normally when you have this your skull doesn't develop normally. Its a common "human" condition, affecting nearly everyone. Their driving skills proves this. I tried looking for intelligent life on this planet, but couldn't find any. My skull is empty! I've had countless MRI's to prove this. I wish so much that I have a brain, but have no proof. And all my IQ tests were horrible!! 99% of them scored in the Borderline Intellectual Functioning range, otherwise known as BIF. I do nothing that proves I have a higher IQ than that. I can barely do simple math, know little about science, history, or any other subject that requires a brain. Yes, I could read around 3 years of age, but that was due to Hyperlexia. Reading words blindly has nothing to do with intelligence. I mean I didn't understand what I read until a few years ago, and only medical and current events type stuff. Very limited. I can't even read a preschool level book because it is fiction. I was never able to read novels and understand them, but yet I can read medical stuff (mainly psychology) with ease. In fact, to prove that I have the worlds best psychology knowledge (no, not a grandiose delusion!! !) many previous therapists/ psychologists I have been to said my medical knowledge surpasses theirs!! And I never took a single class on it, all self taught! Psychology is the easiest medical field there is, and since I experienced nearly everything in the DSM IV, including the Evil Scary Schizophrenia ({well actually schizoaffective disorder}don't agree with this diagnosis though because I am not psychotic! Just plain neurosis at work!) and the so called "rare" DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder aka Multiple personality disorder) but that actually happens in 1 in 100 cases, unlike what other people might say (they say its much rarer than schizophrenia but it actually happens both in 1 in 100 cases, believe it or not!) of course I have Autism as well, but not Asperger's. That is because I had the speech delay, which would eliminate the diagnosis of Asperger's. I didn't start truly speaking until I was 7. I don't have schizoaffective disorder because first of all, I hardly ever hear voices or other auditory hallucinations, no delusions (even though from the outside it looks as if I have at LEAST 6 different types, what they don't get is its all real!) don't have disorganized speech anymore (it used to be a problem), no disorganized or catatonic behavior, and the only "negative" symptom I experience is similar to depression. Oh where was I going with this?? What does this have to do with an.. IQ??? As one of my favorite shirts says, "I took an IQ test and the results were negative." If only I had a brain. I know all about ONE subject, but nothing about anything else. I am an idiot savant. Oh yeah, I can draw. 10 % of autistics have a savant like talent, compared to less than 1% of the general population. There is no population where I live, far away from "human" population in the year 1809, 200 years behind the cities. Cow population 200 MILLION, "human" population...you. I mean to prove this isn't a delusion of the bizarre type, when I first mooooved here in 1800 (2000 in cities or technologically advanced areas) cable TV hasn't been invented yet, and it took ages for high speed Internet to reach my house! And in some areas, electricity hasn't been invented yet! Cars are known as "Time machines" to tansport me and my family (or other "people") to the "future." When I reach a city, I say, "oh, that's what 2009 is supposed to look like!" Seriously, the newspaper out here mainly covers cows getting loose. Yes, they are going to infect everyone out here with Mad Cow Disease! I'm soooo old! I mean chronologically 26, but feel like 500 million. I remember the dinosaurs! OK, now I'm officially confused. Gotta go to sleep now, its past midnight.

I got the impression that the social impairment in autism is still largely different from that of someone with mild/moderate MR.