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23 Jan 2013, 2:34 pm

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Are you implying that your response to this forum/discussion board is more NT-like than other peoples'?

I was holding back from raising the NT word so I'm pleased you've done it for me!

This explains everything!

You are aligning yourself more at the NT end of the spectrum or even as an NT and you are effectively telling the rest of us
'Stop being so autistic'

I've heard it all now!
You realize this would be considered a personal attack.

You've questions me, because you weren't sure what I meant.

Than you use a term This explains everything! to signify that you've decided what I've said.

I said a stronger sense of sympathy, Its likely even people that are non verbal, may have issues with a stronger sense of sympathy, there is no room for less nt or more aspie in that aspect.

I clearly stated that it was through sympathy not empathy, something that aspies often have stronger response for than even nt's.


In my opinion you are acting in a more NT fashion than I myself and others on this forum tend to act

You have said yourself that you have more of an NT-like reaction to posts - this is what you mean - your NT sensibility ie how it comes across to an NT

Thus explains why you don't relate to the negative posts on here and why we don't relate to your problem with them

NTs have this 'must be upbeat all the time and not drag people down' thing going on all the time and I find it highly ironic to see a person trying to impose it on an autistic board!
I said it's due to sympathy that we appear more empathic(like nts).

Again as I said the ties of sympathy to being higher or lower functioning do not exist. It can be just as possible for one that is non verbal to have a strong sense of sympathy than one that is not.

I do not expect everyone to post positivist I simply believe that posters should be more considerate of those that are more sympathetic, by using the correct subform.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:35 pm

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It doesn't matter though, moderators are monitoring and posting in this thread ... they'd have moved it well before it hit 23 pages if they agreed with me! 8)

i agree :). but we rarely move threads these days, sorta depends on guidance from the site owner. if it isn't adult or rulebreaky or inappropriate we leave them in place


This right here is what sets WP apart from other forums. Minimal interference from admins. Mods are here to protect the members, not guide the course of discussion and WP gets it right more than most forums. IMO people should enjoy the freedom here rather than complain about others exercising their freedom to post annoying and negative threads. I never understand why people want less freedom.

Just making a general comment about this thread banana, not directly responding to what you wrote.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:36 pm

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Without a doubt I agree that many here are not effected as strongly by negativity as are the regular population.

There is no denial of this, however the reality is for a large number of aspies this site is overwhelming.

If you cannot see this, I'm sorry I have no way of explaining this. It's simply a matter of perception that is simply more sensitive, than what is found here, if you lack this sensitivity there really is no way to explain it.


I repeat Stoek, you still haven't stated how you come to know that you speak for this vast number of Aspies.
Through sympathy. It really is that simple. I do not speak for them, I'm simply sharing a concern which very many have raised.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:38 pm

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It doesn't matter though, moderators are monitoring and posting in this thread ... they'd have moved it well before it hit 23 pages if they agreed with me! 8)

i agree :). but we rarely move threads these days, sorta depends on guidance from the site owner. if it isn't adult or rulebreaky or inappropriate we leave them in place


This right here is what sets WP apart from other forums. Minimal interference from admins. Mods are here to protect the members, not guide the course of discussion and WP gets it right more than most forums. IMO people should enjoy the freedom here rather than complain about others exercising their freedom to post annoying and negative threads. I never understand why people want less freedom.

Just making a general comment about this thread banana, not directly responding to what you wrote.


This is a sense of freedom that doesnt' seem to work to well for those that want to be free to avoid negativity or venting.

Freedoms have limits, and they start when they start impinging on the freedom of others.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:40 pm

Stoek wrote:
I do not expect everyone to post positivist I simply believe that posters should be more considerate of those that are more sympathetic, by using the correct subform.

The way it came off was less "friendly suggestion" and more "judging people for ranting". This may have not been your intention, but it's what most people reacted to, I think.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:42 pm

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If you were overly sympathetic you would be fine with people posting negatively - you'd be empathetic enough to understand that a lot of people with Aspergers lead negative lives

I think your problem with negative posting comes from a distinct lack of sympathy
That would only be the case if I were for banning negative comments.

I'm simply for people posting threads in the appropiate subforms, such as family subgroup, employment subform, introduction subform, or the haven.

I sympathize with both sides, but the clear answer is that people should be moderating their own posts so that venting is in locations where people are prepared to handle such actions.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:43 pm

Stoek wrote:
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Without a doubt I agree that many here are not effected as strongly by negativity as are the regular population.

There is no denial of this, however the reality is for a large number of aspies this site is overwhelming.

If you cannot see this, I'm sorry I have no way of explaining this. It's simply a matter of perception that is simply more sensitive, than what is found here, if you lack this sensitivity there really is no way to explain it.


I repeat Stoek, you still haven't stated how you come to know that you speak for this vast number of Aspies.
Through sympathy. It really is that simple. I do not speak for them, I'm simply sharing a concern which very many have raised.


Where has it been raised and by who?



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23 Jan 2013, 2:44 pm

Stoek wrote:
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If you were overly sympathetic you would be fine with people posting negatively - you'd be empathetic enough to understand that a lot of people with Aspergers lead negative lives

I think your problem with negative posting comes from a distinct lack of sympathy
That would only be the case if I were for banning negative comments.

I'm simply for people posting threads in the appropiate subforms, such as family subgroup, employment subform, introduction subform, or the haven.

I sympathize with both sides, but the clear answer is that people should be moderating their own posts so that venting is in locations where people are prepared to handle such actions.
Then why are you venting about venting in a forum you said is not made for venting?


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23 Jan 2013, 2:45 pm

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Because this isn't a request for moderators to change there policy.

This is request that posters change there posting habbts, for the concern of those that are overly sympathetic.


Still nothing to do with autism.


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23 Jan 2013, 2:47 pm

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Then why are you venting about venting in a forum you said is not made for venting?
This is not venting, this is voicing a concern. There is a difference. This isn't an emotional point of view, this from a relatively objective one.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:49 pm

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Because this isn't a request for moderators to change there policy.

This is request that posters change there posting habbts, for the concern of those that are overly sympathetic.


Still nothing to do with autism.
The whole point, is that for people with that are more sensitive this site can be overwhelming. Since there is really no where else to go, and we are talking about autistic people having no where to go, because of the actions of other autistic people this has exactly everything to do with autism.



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23 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

Wow, 25 pages in two days. What a record.


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23 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

Stoek wrote:
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Because this isn't a request for moderators to change there policy.

This is request that posters change there posting habbts, for the concern of those that are overly sympathetic.


Still nothing to do with autism.
The whole point, is that for people with that are more sensitive this site can be overwhelming. Since there is really no where else to go, and we are talking about autistic people having no where to go, because of the actions of other autistic people this has exactly everything to do with autism.


I welcome negative posts on WP

The more the better

And knowing they get your goat makes me love them even more! :D



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23 Jan 2013, 2:52 pm

Stoek wrote:
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Then why are you venting about venting in a forum you said is not made for venting?
This is not venting, this is voicing a concern. There is a difference. This isn't an emotional point of view, this from a relatively objective one.
what specifically are you voicing a concern about, you haven't specified past "the negators"


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23 Jan 2013, 2:53 pm

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I welcome negative posts on WP

The more the better

And knowing they get your goat makes me love them even more! :D


You do realize that I posting this out of concern for others :roll:



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23 Jan 2013, 2:54 pm

Stoek wrote:
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Because this isn't a request for moderators to change there policy.

This is request that posters change there posting habbts, for the concern of those that are overly sympathetic.


Still nothing to do with autism.
The whole point, is that for people with that are more sensitive this site can be overwhelming. Since there is really no where else to go, and we are talking about autistic people having no where to go, because of the actions of other autistic people this has exactly everything to do with autism.


Nope. Has nothing to do with autism.
Has everything to do with how you would like other people to behave.
There are plenty of other forums for people with autism who don't like the way people behave here.
None of them are as busy/popular as this forum. How come?


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