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25 Apr 2007, 11:47 pm

tyb wrote:
Of course he was an aspie. He was very introvert.


That doesn't meant much.. Aspies tend to be introverted, but not all introverted people are Aspies.



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26 Apr 2007, 4:53 am

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We were talking about NPD and I would disagree that cho was predominantly a narcissist. I goes back to sliding scale.

I also agree that Cho probably did not have narcissistic personality disorder. I have been suggesting paranoid personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, and perhaps sadistic personality disorder. He's also been diagnosed with depression previously.

I am just saying overtly narcissistic behavior and attitudes are far more prevalent than the 1% statistic in the DSM-IV-TR for NPD suggests. I remember reading an article saying that college students' self-report narcissism has risen in the past decade (using the narcissistic personality inventory, a self-report questionnaire commonly used to assess traits of narcissistic personality disorder for research and diagnosis). Search Google or Digg if you want the article.


I think it is precisely because narcissism tendencies are part of human nature, heck there are narcissistic tendencies in other conditions. There is a stark warning though. Very many nuerodevelopmental, and behavioural problems have apparent narcissism but if you delve beneath the surface it is not deliberate narcissism at all. I was just reading up on ADHD for myself. There was a warning about ADHD appearing narcissistic, I've seen the same warning for autism and GAD. Sure people can appear narcissistic and even not uncommon for people to think they are. But that doesn't make it so. I agree with the World Health Organisation that says that all other listed personalities and disorders must be ruled out first. You may argue that it needs to be broader fair enough. I think most people shouldn't apply because other things cover them better, and many of those things are treatable.



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26 Apr 2007, 5:11 am

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OK, I HAVE to say it! Some of you have VERY low opinions of yourself, and such a simple way of diagnosing AS. Why not say EVERYONE has AS.

Steve

Given any sufficiently large group of people selected for any trait (e.g., religious belief, height, alma mater, psychiatric diagnosis) you will always find someone who people might describe as bad unless, of course, you select that group on the criterion of being an outstandingly good person.

If you meet enough people with Asperger's syndrome, inevitably you'll meet someone you don't get along with, disagree with, or are revolted by. Aspies can be introverted, extraverted, trusting, paranoid, docile, angry, gentle, tactless, traditional, freethinking, and just about anything except not Asperger's (logically).


Interesting thing...... Just yesterday I read some criteria and I BELIEVE it said it was DSM IV. And it listed things at the end an AS person could NOT be! One was SOCIOPATHIC!

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26 Apr 2007, 8:55 am

Here is my thoughts on this post. I'm not sure one could actually say with a 100% certainty that Cho was an Aspie. I'll admit I never had any true friends when I was in High School but, that does not necessarily mean I would become filled with anger or rage and take it out on other people.No! so, I think that being merely introverted does not make someone an Aspie as such.

In time the cause(s) of Cho's socially-destructive behavior will be comprehensively determined.

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26 Apr 2007, 10:21 am

That cho was a total bozo. Somebody should have given him a poke in the chops. I think he was just a dummy. Didn't he ever realize there were other people in the world with much bigger probalems than him? People, with aids, cancer; people going hungry? And perhaps, several people with worse acne? Gosh, what a straight up clown, and what an immature clown, copying a stupid movie. I don't think he deserves eternal torture or anything but I think he does deserve to come back in a time machine and be cuaght and strung up like mussolini.



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26 Apr 2007, 10:23 am

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That cho was a total bozo. Somebody should have given him a poke in the chops. I think he was just a dummy. Didn't he ever realize there were other people in the world with much bigger probalems than him? People, with aids, cancer; people going hungry? And perhaps, several people with worse acne? Gosh, what a straight up clown, and what an immature clown, copying a stupid movie. I don't think he deserves eternal torture or anything but I think he does deserve to come back in a time machine and be cuaght and strung up like mussolini.

I don’t think you can take it too rationally he wasn't right of mind



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26 Apr 2007, 9:07 pm

Bixbeiderbecke wrote:
That cho was a total bozo. Somebody should have given him a poke in the chops. I think he was just a dummy. Didn't he ever realize there were other people in the world with much bigger probalems than him? People, with aids, cancer; people going hungry? And perhaps, several people with worse acne? Gosh, what a straight up clown, and what an immature clown, copying a stupid movie. I don't think he deserves eternal torture or anything but I think he does deserve to come back in a time machine and be cuaght and strung up like mussolini.


However he got that way, he was irrational. Irrational people do things that are other than rational. Did you expect something else? My case is that bullying and other abuse made him that way, but what I am saying is that he was forced to become irrational, into a world not of his making, and he responded appropriately for the situation that he was forced into.



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27 Apr 2007, 1:22 am

A culture shock can mock many of the symtoms of high-functioning autism or aspergers. Autism spectrum disorder. culture shock or both. there is no exscuse for what he did!! !!



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27 Apr 2007, 4:06 am

I don't think he was on the spectrum.

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