Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers

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25 Jan 2010, 11:37 am

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I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.

It's a good thing you told us.

We take your opinion about this as seriously as we would take the opinion of just about anyone who thinks they can remotely diagnose people they've never met over the internet. In fact, I doubt we could take your opinion any more seriously even if you were actually a diagnostician making the same claim.

Some claims come with an innate credibility rating that applies regardess who makes them.



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25 Jan 2010, 11:43 am

pandd wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.

It's a good thing you told us.

We take your opinion about this as seriously as we would take the opinion of just about anyone who thinks they can remotely diagnose people they've never met over the internet. In fact, I doubt we could take your opinion any more seriously even if you were actually a diagnostician making the same claim.

Some claims come with an innate credibility rating that applies regardess who makes them.


Are you being sarcastic ?


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25 Jan 2010, 12:12 pm

mikkyh wrote:
pandd wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.

It's a good thing you told us.

We take your opinion about this as seriously as we would take the opinion of just about anyone who thinks they can remotely diagnose people they've never met over the internet. In fact, I doubt we could take your opinion any more seriously even if you were actually a diagnostician making the same claim.

Some claims come with an innate credibility rating that applies regardess who makes them.


Are you being sarcastic ?


I'd bet my non-existent life savings on it.



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25 Jan 2010, 12:13 pm

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bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.


I agree that some "AS - Diagnosed" people's online behavior doesn't seem aspie-like.

But it's important to recognize that we're talking about online behavior. The way someone communicates in text does not necessarily correlate with the way they behave in other contexts.


That is correct. Many autists written skills vastly exceed their verbal skills.


Yes. I probably said this before....

Just because typeing, comprehension, spelling, number, public speech, and logic skills involve one language, doesn't mean it only needs one part, or the same part even, of the brain to work.



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25 Jan 2010, 12:16 pm

Mikkyh wrote:
Are you being sarcastic ?


I do not think so. There may be more than one way to interpret the words I have used, but I do not mean something other than what they actually say.



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25 Jan 2010, 1:17 pm

I write much, much better than I speak. You would never know how eloquent I can be if you were speaking to me.

When I learned what Asperger's was, it answered so many questions about my life, that I came to feel like I might have it. So for awhile, I was self-diagnosed. Then I got a diagnosis, and I was right. I do have Asperger's, and I've had it all my life. I had it before I knew it, and I had it while I thought I might have it. I have it now, and I'll have it until I die.

So up yours.



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25 Jan 2010, 4:04 pm

RhettOracle wrote:
I write much, much better than I speak. You would never know how eloquent I can be if you were speaking to me.

When I learned what Asperger's was, it answered so many questions about my life, that I came to feel like I might have it. So for awhile, I was self-diagnosed. Then I got a diagnosis, and I was right. I do have Asperger's, and I've had it all my life. I had it before I knew it, and I had it while I thought I might have it. I have it now, and I'll have it until I die.

So up yours.


I like this thing about being 'articulate' with the written word. When I started communicating with friends on facebook that I hadn't seen in years and never interacted with online (in written form) I think a few of them were a little shocked at how different my 'online' persona is, in the sense that in real life I am pretty quiet and unimposing and don't do alot of talking but online I am pretty verbose and a bit of a streetfighter when it comes to debating.

I try to understand how people diagnosed in childhood might not understand the adult journey of someone who has aspergers and is not yet (and may never be) professionally diagnosed. For me it included chemical dependency, psychiatry and several misdiagnoses, counselors and group therapists, various antidepressants/lithium, going to practically every twelve step group under the sun, etc etc etc., over a couple decades with none of it really working or telling me anything about why I was the way I was. I know for some people that is really hard to conceive of, it's really something you have to experience to appreciate I think.



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26 Jan 2010, 5:30 am

makuranososhi wrote:
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I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.


What makes you more qualified to make such an assessment? And how are your observations, limited and purely through selective communication through an non-personified medium, at all relevant to determining whether someone is or is not on the spectrum? That you are aware and seek to understand others is a good thing, but it also seems you are overestimating the depth and accuracy of your observations. Doctors aren't necessarily any more familiar or educated when it comes to ASDs; at the same time, one doesn't have to be a doctor to be capable of making a misdiagnosis... errors exist regardless of who is making the decision. People, as a whole, are capable of amazing variations in behavior - to judge based on their ability to exceed or elude your own expectations isn't something I find effective or would suggest to others.


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I think that it's hopeless for doctors to do more research on AS, they may just as well invent a "sad mood" disorder or something, and do some research on that.



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26 Jan 2010, 6:14 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.


What makes you more qualified to make such an assessment? And how are your observations, limited and purely through selective communication through an non-personified medium, at all relevant to determining whether someone is or is not on the spectrum? That you are aware and seek to understand others is a good thing, but it also seems you are overestimating the depth and accuracy of your observations. Doctors aren't necessarily any more familiar or educated when it comes to ASDs; at the same time, one doesn't have to be a doctor to be capable of making a misdiagnosis... errors exist regardless of who is making the decision. People, as a whole, are capable of amazing variations in behavior - to judge based on their ability to exceed or elude your own expectations isn't something I find effective or would suggest to others.


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I think that it's hopeless for doctors to do more research on AS, they may just as well invent a "sad mood" disorder or something, and do some research on that.


Hmm. Actually you dont seem aspie like to me...so obviously you're misdiagnosed :roll:


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26 Jan 2010, 11:43 am

mikkyh wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've not only encountered self-diagnosed people here, but also misdiagnosed ones, I have analyzed some WP members' behaviours, and they don't seem so aspie-like at all.


What makes you more qualified to make such an assessment? And how are your observations, limited and purely through selective communication through an non-personified medium, at all relevant to determining whether someone is or is not on the spectrum? That you are aware and seek to understand others is a good thing, but it also seems you are overestimating the depth and accuracy of your observations. Doctors aren't necessarily any more familiar or educated when it comes to ASDs; at the same time, one doesn't have to be a doctor to be capable of making a misdiagnosis... errors exist regardless of who is making the decision. People, as a whole, are capable of amazing variations in behavior - to judge based on their ability to exceed or elude your own expectations isn't something I find effective or would suggest to others.


M.


I think that it's hopeless for doctors to do more research on AS, they may just as well invent a "sad mood" disorder or something, and do some research on that.


Hmm. Actually you dont seem aspie like to me...so obviously you're misdiagnosed :roll:


You may be right, I never had any problems with eye contact, I had around 5 NT friends at the age of 6-7...



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26 Jan 2010, 11:45 am

So because you don't think you have it, there should be no more research or it's invalid? That's a crock, and incredibly short-sighted/selfish, if that is the case.


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26 Jan 2010, 12:13 pm

I may have aspergers, I'm sure I have it, but I believe there's to much focusing on AS, the diagnosis itself isn't that interesting, and NT's will never understand aspies no matter how long they try, it happened once before, AS was invented in 1944 by the Austrian doctor Hans Asperger, but people saw so little interest in it that someone didn't mention it until the 1980's, but it didn't become recognized until 1994 when it was labelled as an official diagnosis, such as it is today, so I believe that the same thing will happend again, people will forget the diagnosis, but they may pick it up again.



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26 Jan 2010, 12:19 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I may have aspergers, I'm sure I have it, but I believe there's to much focusing on AS, the diagnosis itself isn't that interesting, and NT's will never understand aspies no matter how long they try, it happened once before, AS was invented in 1944 by the Austrian doctor Hans Asperger, but people saw so little interest in it that someone didn't mention it until the 1980's, but it didn't become recognized until 1994 when it was labelled as an official diagnosis, such as it is today, so I believe that the same thing will happend again, people will forget the diagnosis, but they may pick it up again.


1) The condition was not invented; it was identified. It did not suddenly spring into existence in the 1940s.
2) You are assuming that interest led to a lack of progress on the matter; that does not take into account external influences, limitations in technology and process, and or challenges in accurately identifying what he saw back then.
3) Still, you continue with the insistence that since you don't believe it has value or merit, that no one else can or does see it either.


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26 Jan 2010, 12:27 pm

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bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I may have aspergers, I'm sure I have it, but I believe there's to much focusing on AS, the diagnosis itself isn't that interesting, and NT's will never understand aspies no matter how long they try, it happened once before, AS was invented in 1944 by the Austrian doctor Hans Asperger, but people saw so little interest in it that someone didn't mention it until the 1980's, but it didn't become recognized until 1994 when it was labelled as an official diagnosis, such as it is today, so I believe that the same thing will happend again, people will forget the diagnosis, but they may pick it up again.


1) The condition was not invented; it was identified. It did not suddenly spring into existence in the 1940s.
2) You are assuming that interest led to a lack of progress on the matter; that does not take into account external influences, limitations in technology and process, and or challenges in accurately identifying what he saw back then.
3) Still, you continue with the insistence that since you don't believe it has value or merit, that no one else can or does see it either.


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When the new generation of young people, not me included, takes over the society, I can hardly believe they will see interest in AS, they're too "cool" for that, so I'm pretty sure they will just drop the whole thing.



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26 Jan 2010, 12:37 pm

Society isn't like government; there is no formal passing-of-the-reins ceremony, and no point where "they take over" as you've suggested. So we've gone from this being your opinion projected on what should be done, and moved to the belief that others must agree with you and that it will eventually end up being how you envision it?


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26 Jan 2010, 12:43 pm

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Society isn't like government; there is no formal passing-of-the-reins ceremony, and no point where "they take over" as you've suggested. So we've gone from this being your opinion projected on what should be done, and moved to the belief that others must agree with you and that it will eventually end up being how you envision it?


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Take a look at how society has changed since each generation, each generation has worse and worse youth, so if this continues, they will NOT care about AS, society will be worse oriented as well, since this generation won't be able to handle it.

Ask a teenager in a high school; "Do you want to study AS when you become big?". The teenager will probably laugh and take it as a joke, I can't believe the view will be changed when they grow up, they will turn their backs on AS, and they won't tell their children about it.