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23 Jan 2013, 2:55 pm

Stoek wrote:

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I welcome negative posts on WP

The more the better

And knowing they get your goat makes me love them even more!

You do realize that I posting this out of concern for others :roll:

It sounds like it

From what I'm hearing you just want all threads to suit your own mood

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23 Jan 2013, 2:55 pm

@Stoek
So let me see if I have this right. You're trying to sacrifice the loud group for the quiet group?

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23 Jan 2013, 2:58 pm

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Then why are you venting about venting in a forum you said is not made for venting?

This is not venting, this is voicing a concern. There is a difference. This isn't an emotional point of view, this from a relatively objective one.

what specifically are you voicing a concern about, you haven't specified past "the negators"

That people here are venting in the wrong locations. That they are turning away a very large group of people who come here seeking help.

And the best answer I get is that I think it works fine for me, they should go for somewhere else, which amounts to what do I care if someone else with aspergers has no where else to go.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:00 pm

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@Stoek
So let me see if I have this right. You're trying to sacrifice the loud group for the quiet group?

I'm trying to get the loud group to simply be loud in places that allow the quiet to be heard.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:00 pm

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The whole point, is that for people with that are more sensitive this site can be overwhelming. Since there is really no where else to go, and we are talking about autistic people having no where to go, because of the actions of other autistic people this has exactly everything to do with autism.

Wrong Planet is not the only resource out there for autistic folks with problems. If for any one person it's not the venue of their preference because they don't like the vibe, or the thread topics, or the lay-out, or whatever, then perhaps they should decide for themselves that maybe Wrong Planet is not for them, instead of expecting the forum to change to their whims so that they can comfortably register and post here.

I've always viewed WP as a relatively inclusive and welcoming online community, and I'm rather surprised that anyone with an interest in on-line discussion about autism would be put off by it at all. It's working out for the current regular poster body, which is a LOT of regular posters from all walks of life. If it works for all of them, I see no reason for anyone to not jump right in and join the discussions.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:01 pm

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Because this isn't a request for moderators to change there policy.

This is request that posters change there posting habbts, for the concern of those that are overly sympathetic.

Still nothing to do with autism.

Nope. Has nothing to do with autism.
Has everything to do with how you would like other people to behave.
There are plenty of other forums for people with autism who don't like the way people behave here.
None of them are as busy/popular as this forum. How come?

This is the crux of the matter

Stoek looks at a thread that is fast moving, wanting a part of it but he doesn't relate to the tone of the thread, which he
sees as more negative than he's used to

So rather than go elsewhere ie to a thread that suits his mood better or starting a new thread, he tries to shut down the popular thread, saying it's inappropriate and might upset poor sensitive people on the spectrum who might be badly 'damaged' through coming into contact with the negative attitudes of some posters.

It's called 'Dog in a Manger Syndrome'

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23 Jan 2013, 3:04 pm

Stoek wrote:

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@Stoek
So let me see if I have this right. You're trying to sacrifice the loud group for the quiet group?

I'm trying to get the loud group to simply be loud in places that allow the quiet to be heard.

And what exactly is your definition of 'loud'?

In no way am I preventing anyone from posting whatever they like on any thread

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23 Jan 2013, 3:04 pm

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It doesn't matter though, moderators are monitoring and posting in this thread ... they'd have moved it well before it hit 23 pages if they agreed with me!

i agree

. but we rarely move threads these days, sorta depends on guidance from the site owner. if it isn't adult or rulebreaky or inappropriate we leave them in place

This right here is what sets WP apart from other forums. Minimal interference from admins. Mods are here to protect the members, not guide the course of discussion and WP gets it right more than most forums. IMO people should enjoy the freedom here rather than complain about others exercising their freedom to post annoying and negative threads. I never understand why people want less freedom.

Just making a general comment about this thread banana, not directly responding to what you wrote.

This is a sense of freedom that doesnt' seem to work to well for those that want to be free to avoid negativity or venting.

Freedoms have limits, and they start when they start impinging on the freedom of others.

The fact that you have a compulsive need to look at, and participate in, threads you know you won't like does not mean that someone is infringing on your freedom. You ALWAYS have the choice to avoid threads that you don't like.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:04 pm

Stoek wrote:

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Then why are you venting about venting in a forum you said is not made for venting?

This is not venting, this is voicing a concern. There is a difference. This isn't an emotional point of view, this from a relatively objective one.

what specifically are you voicing a concern about, you haven't specified past "the negators"

That people here are venting in the wrong locations. That they are turning away a very large group of people who come here seeking help.

And the best answer I get is that I think it works fine for me, they should go for somewhere else, which amounts to what do I care if someone else with aspergers has no where else to go.

How can you prove or show this?

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23 Jan 2013, 3:06 pm

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Lets get one thing straight, if this were about me, I would of got up and gone a while ago, this is not about me.

This is not about WP being a bad place or a place that isn't trying to belong, this is about people resisting change that could be much closer to the main goal of the site, and as well give people better help.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:09 pm

Stoek wrote:

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I often give people help on this site

I can't say I've seen you doing the same though

You seem to be trying to actively prevent people from being able to gain support from this site by posting in the manner they are most comfortable with

I look forward to your next helpful thread though

It's entirely about you from what I can determine!

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23 Jan 2013, 3:12 pm

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How can you prove or show this?

I can prove this by getting the names and addresses of every person that has ever come on this site ask them why they didn't come back. However this would violate the personal privacy of a large number of people, and as well waste an incredible amount of time I won't.

I could also spend 10 years digging up research on the topic of morale sympathy and autism, etc, but I also will not.

In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:14 pm

Stoek wrote:

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How can you prove or show this?

What if you post a poll asking people how they feel? I know that was mentioned a while back and sounds like a great way to prove your point

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23 Jan 2013, 3:17 pm

Stoek wrote:

In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.

that wouldn't actually prove anything definitive. what you think is "obvious" is apparently counterintuitive to the majority of members who posted in your thread, so i'd say that you may want to reconsider your hypothesis.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:17 pm

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What if you post a poll asking people how they feel? I know that was mentioned a while back and sounds like a great way to prove your point

Because the ones that can't handle this site, are not likely to stick along round long enough for a poll.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:22 pm

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This really seems like a logical fallacy, not sure what the name of it is though, fallacy of silence?

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