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02 Jul 2010, 3:11 pm

I hate it when some NTs make fun of you and when you confront them about it, they say something like "it was just a joke" or "I was just kidding". I'm not talking about playful teasing, like the kind a friend would do. I'm talking about people using those phrases as a cover-up for bullying. My favorite reply is, "It's not a joke if the other person is crying instead of laughing."



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02 Jul 2010, 4:28 pm

IdahoRose wrote:
I hate it when some NTs make fun of you and when you confront them about it, they say something like "it was just a joke" or "I was just kidding". I'm not talking about playful teasing, like the kind a friend would do. I'm talking about people using those phrases as a cover-up for bullying. My favorite reply is, "It's not a joke if the other person is crying instead of laughing."


Yeah, I totally hate that.



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02 Jul 2010, 5:17 pm

IdahoRose wrote:
I hate it when some NTs make fun of you and when you confront them about it, they say something like "it was just a joke" or "I was just kidding". I'm not talking about playful teasing, like the kind a friend would do. I'm talking about people using those phrases as a cover-up for bullying. My favorite reply is, "It's not a joke if the other person is crying instead of laughing."


Ugh, I hate that too. And then when you try to tell them that you didn't think it was funny or that it hurt your feelings, they get all defensive and tell you to "quit being a wimp" and "take a joke".



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02 Jul 2010, 5:26 pm

Maybe this has been brought up before but I don't understand why someone would pretend they had experience with something they didn't in order to impress someone else. For instance if you had never ridden a horse and met someone you really liked who was really into horseback riding and you told them you were an experienced rider.That of course just sets you up for looking like a fool later. Why can't they see that?



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02 Jul 2010, 5:45 pm

I don't understand people spending hundreds of dollars on shoes?



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02 Jul 2010, 5:48 pm

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Also the idea:

"Smile even if you don't feel like it: you'll be happy if you do."


I've seen this presented in College Diaries and Depression Manuals.

I really don't understand this concept.

How is enforced smiling meant to help with practical issues?
Fake smiling doesn't make workloads less heavy or extend deadlines.
If anything, it's a sticking plaster covering the real problems.


I believe that smiling causes a bio-chemical effect as well as a purely physical one. When you smile things happen in the brain and body that can make you feel better.


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02 Jul 2010, 6:23 pm

Aimless wrote:
Maybe this has been brought up before but I don't understand why someone would pretend they had experience with something they didn't in order to impress someone else. For instance if you had never ridden a horse and met someone you really liked who was really into horseback riding and you told them you were an experienced rider.That of course just sets you up for looking like a fool later. Why can't they see that?


They probably got the idea from comedies. It is a staple of the genre. Of course in comedies the person always makes a beginner's mistake and it's hilarious but things seem to work out anyway. And if it's a romantic comedy the person faking it still gets the guy/girl so that does make it seem worthwhile.

Or maybe they honestly thought they could pull it off even though it never works in comedies. I did when I was a kid. I wanted to get in good with the tougher kids so I pretended that I, like they, was a smoker (middle school). The tough girls offered me a cigarette and I nonchalantly took it and lit up with the idea that I would look like an experienced and tough girl smoker. Everybody who has smoked at least one cigarette knows how badly that went. It went badly. They weren't fooled.



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02 Jul 2010, 7:28 pm

Aimless wrote:
Maybe this has been brought up before but I don't understand why someone would pretend they had experience with something they didn't in order to impress someone else. For instance if you had never ridden a horse and met someone you really liked who was really into horseback riding and you told them you were an experienced rider.That of course just sets you up for looking like a fool later. Why can't they see that?


supposedly it's to look impressive to other people; in fairness, it's nothing recent...people have been doing it since the Dawn of Time, mainly because otherwise they find life so incredibly boring and pointless.

I just figure "but after all that, you feel completely hoodwinked and betrayed...so what's the point?"

If they want to be impressed, listen to Autistic people offer their perspectives for at minimum half an hour. :lol:



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02 Jul 2010, 7:46 pm

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Speaking of weird traditions like shaking hands, one thing I've never understood is the tradition of "blessing" someone when they sneeze. I understand where the tradition came from (medieval superstition about demons), but I don't get why people still do it. Why should there be an entire social interaction, an empty one at that, dedicated to the involuntary reflex action of expelling foreign objects from the nasal passages?
I just find the whole "bless you" meme to be really annoying, especially as someone with AS. What am I supposed to say, "thanks"? Because that's what I do say, but then it seems like people look at me funny for saying that. It's gotten to the point that I actually stifle sneezes when I'm in a group of people, just so I won't have to deal with the whole "bless you" awkwardness. Why can't I just sneeze in peace?!

Of course you could always go with the Seinfeld solution and say, "You're soooo good-lookin'!" :lol:


You don't say "Thank You" "Thanks" or anything else in response to the "bless you" thing.

It was believed that when you sneeze the devil got in through your mouth. Saying "bless you" got rid of it, but then opening your mouth to say "Thank You" meant that it got back in again.


Well...a long long time ago, people thought that some spirit made you sneeze, and they send the spirit away by threatening them, which is by blessing the person. The "bless you" thing has survived in England.



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02 Jul 2010, 8:29 pm

Moog wrote:
AmberEyes wrote:
Also the idea:

"Smile even if you don't feel like it: you'll be happy if you do."


I've seen this presented in College Diaries and Depression Manuals.

I really don't understand this concept.

How is enforced smiling meant to help with practical issues?
Fake smiling doesn't make workloads less heavy or extend deadlines.
If anything, it's a sticking plaster covering the real problems.


I believe that smiling causes a bio-chemical effect as well as a purely physical one. When you smile things happen in the brain and body that can make you feel better.

Fake smiling doesn't have that effect on me. If someone wants me to smile they have to make me laugh.



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02 Jul 2010, 10:21 pm

marshall wrote:
Moog wrote:
AmberEyes wrote:
Also the idea:

"Smile even if you don't feel like it: you'll be happy if you do."


I've seen this presented in College Diaries and Depression Manuals.

I really don't understand this concept.

How is enforced smiling meant to help with practical issues?
Fake smiling doesn't make workloads less heavy or extend deadlines.
If anything, it's a sticking plaster covering the real problems.


I believe that smiling causes a bio-chemical effect as well as a purely physical one. When you smile things happen in the brain and body that can make you feel better.

Fake smiling doesn't have that effect on me. If someone wants me to smile they have to make me laugh.


Yeah, others smiling doesn't make me smile either; it makes me lift an eyebrow.



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03 Jul 2010, 2:22 am

(These perhaps aren't necessarily Neuro-Typical traits - just things I notice to be common in society in general).

I never understood being made to eat breakfast with the rest of my family . . . it's early, everyone's grumpy, and we don't really get on at the best of times, so let's just avoid each other. Or that is what makes sense to me, anyway.

Fashion and makeup and so forth annoy me to death. I don't understand the point of it at all . . . I think it's pathetic.

I also find the idea of people drinking and taking drugs pathetic. I'm not sure why, but it makes me feel quite angry. It's something to do with the fact that it's a human affectation - animals don't need it, so why should people? The fact is, they don't need it.

The same goes for costmetic surgery.

I will never understand why it matters who wins whatever team sport is fashionable.

I don't understand why people in 'important' positions are expected to resign the instant they say something other people don't agree with.

I don't understand why people angrily say to me "You always think you're right!" Erm, doesn't everyone? Surely that's why anyone ever says anything in the first place - because they think it's right? Why do I deserve to be castigated just because I don't deem that person's opinion valuable enough to change my own to match it? I mean, really - they think they're right too, which is why they're angry in the first place. (I think . . . :? )

I don't understand religion - ok, so the things in the Bible might be true. But it's a lot more likely that they aren't, and in the end, we don't know . . .

I don't understand it when people think I'm using Autism as an excuse not to have a job. It really angers me because they have no clue what's like (so much for 'Theory of mind, eh?), but will judge anyway. Ugh.

The fact that I am accused of 'turning something into an argument' when as far as I was aware I was just discussing it, much in the style of anyone else.

I never understood why my parents would be angry with me for looking unhappy after I had been in trouble for something. They called it 'sulking' - I called it 'feeling unhappy at being snapped and snarled at for reasons I don't understand'. I was also expected to look happy about things, like going somewhere or having to do something, when I wasn't.

I don't understand the act of putting on music, and then talking over it, and then being angry when I ask for it to be switched off because I can't think properly.

People in positions of authority who refuse to answer questions properly and adhere blindly to ill-thought out rules - for instance, as in this conversation, which took place when I wanted to try on a scarf that I wanted to use as a belt because I hate actual belts:

I: "Why can't I try the scarf on in the changing room?"
Shop Drone: "Because we have no security cameras in there."
I: "Are you suggesting I will steal it?"
Shop Drone: "No . . . " *looks to other Drone for support*
Other Drone: "It's just our policy."
I: "Look, I have one item - the scarf. Why can't I just try it on? You know what I have."
Drones: "Our policy, our policy . . . " etc.

Idiots! They have no good reason to stop me from trying it on . . . so why argue? :evil:


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03 Jul 2010, 2:30 am

Poppycocteau wrote:
(These perhaps aren't necessarily Neuro-Typical traits - just things I notice to be common in society in general).

I never understood being made to eat breakfast with the rest of my family . . . it's early, everyone's grumpy, and we don't really get on at the best of times, so let's just avoid each other. Or that is what makes sense to me, anyway.

Fashion and makeup and so forth annoy me to death. I don't understand the point of it at all . . . I think it's pathetic.

I also find the idea of people drinking and taking drugs pathetic. I'm not sure why, but it makes me feel quite angry. It's something to do with the fact that it's a human affectation - animals don't need it, so why should people? The fact is, they don't need it.

The same goes for costmetic surgery.

I will never understand why it matters who wins whatever team sport is fashionable.

I don't understand why people in 'important' positions are expected to resign the instant they say something other people don't agree with.

I don't understand why people angrily say to me "You always think you're right!" Erm, doesn't everyone? Surely that's why anyone ever says anything in the first place - because they think it's right? Why do I deserve to be castigated just because I don't deem that person's opinion valuable enough to change my own to match it? I mean, really - they think they're right too, which is why they're angry in the first place. (I think . . . :? )

I don't understand religion - ok, so the things in the Bible might be true. But it's a lot more likely that they aren't, and in the end, we don't know . . .

I don't understand it when people think I'm using Autism as an excuse not to have a job. It really angers me because they have no clue what's like (so much for 'Theory of mind, eh?), but will judge anyway. Ugh.

The fact that I am accused of 'turning something into an argument' when as far as I was aware I was just discussing it, much in the style of anyone else.

I never understood why my parents would be angry with me for looking unhappy after I had been in trouble for something. They called it 'sulking' - I called it 'feeling unhappy at being snapped and snarled at for reasons I don't understand'. I was also expected to look happy about things, like going somewhere or having to do something, when I wasn't.

I don't understand the act of putting on music, and then talking over it, and then being angry when I ask for it to be switched off because I can't think properly.

People in positions of authority who refuse to answer questions properly and adhere blindly to ill-thought out rules - for instance, as in this conversation, which took place when I wanted to try on a scarf that I wanted to use as a belt because I hate actual belts:

I: "Why can't I try the scarf on in the changing room?"
Shop Drone: "Because we have no security cameras in there."
I: "Are you suggesting I will steal it?"
Shop Drone: "No . . . " *looks to other Drone for support*
Other Drone: "It's just our policy."
I: "Look, I have one item - the scarf. Why can't I just try it on? You know what I have."
Drones: "Our policy, our policy . . . " etc.

Idiots! They have no good reason to stop me from trying it on . . . so why argue? :evil:


In regards to the last one, they probably do think you'll steal it, but they have to maintain a positive image.

If there's one thing I've learned being in both the retail and service industry, "give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile".

Maybe you won't, but the majority unfortunately will....


In regards to religion, it's because people are desperate to feel important and because they want to believe there's more than what's already present...in many cases it's cause they don't feel good about themselves. There're other reasons, but I don't think a lot of religious Autistic folks here would appreciate my saying it...

In regards to drinking and drugs, for the same reason about religion..in this case though, I think a lot of folks have addictive personalities...as in, they get easily addicted to things; they also don't know how to handle the levels of stress we have to put up with on a daily basis, let alone even the 1/4 of the that which they usually have....



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03 Jul 2010, 3:37 am

I don't understand how people can keep SERIOUS things from one another because they don't want to hurt or make the other person worry :?:



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03 Jul 2010, 3:49 am

Kiseki wrote:
I don't understand how people can keep SERIOUS things from one another because they don't want to hurt or make the other person worry :?:



I totally sympathize. If there's something I believe that's serious that I have to discuss with my girlfriend, we discuss it; I get it off my chest, and we work out a solution. I don't keep it bottled up, cause it won't solve anything.

Many times, I even tell her stuff flat-out; I don't 'beat around the bush'; yeah, it may not always sound that nice, but better I'm honest with her because I love her more than anything and we get things worked out than I say nothing and all hell breaks loose...



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03 Jul 2010, 3:58 am

The preferential treatment that my mum gives my sister, just because they both like the same stuff. Grrr!


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