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23 Jan 2013, 3:24 pm

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What if you post a poll asking people how they feel? I know that was mentioned a while back and sounds like a great way to prove your point


Because the ones that can't handle this site, are not likely to stick along round long enough for a poll.


I don't think WP can change enough to keep those people then if they leave that quickly. What if you start your own ASD website for those who are scared off by WP? This place isn't going to change enough to suit you.


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23 Jan 2013, 3:26 pm

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In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.

that wouldn't actually prove anything definitive. what you think is "obvious" is apparently counterintuitive to the majority of members who posted in your thread, so i'd say that you may want to reconsider your hypothesis.
This really seems like a logical fallacy, not sure what the name of it is though, fallacy of silence?

i can never keep those things straight lol


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23 Jan 2013, 3:26 pm

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Because the ones that can't handle this site, are not likely to stick along round long enough for a poll.


There's a button at the top of this page that says 'Contact Alex'. If there's anyone who has this problem you describe, why don't they send him a mail saying something like "Hey Alex, great idea that you founded this autism message board, but I've noticed a lot of negativity on the general autism discussion section, and it's made me hesitant to join. Could you maybe address this issue?"

Only a bit more elaborate as per their specific situation.


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23 Jan 2013, 3:27 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.

that wouldn't actually prove anything definitive. what you think is "obvious" is apparently counterintuitive to the majority of members who posted in your thread, so i'd say that you may want to reconsider your hypothesis.
This really seems like a logical fallacy, not sure what the name of it is though, fallacy of silence?

i can never keep those things straight lol
I looked on wikipedia, there were about a hundred 8O


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23 Jan 2013, 3:32 pm

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How can you prove or show this?


I can prove this by getting the names and addresses of every person that has ever come on this site ask them why they didn't come back. However this would violate the personal privacy of a large number of people, and as well waste an incredible amount of time I won't.

I could also spend 10 years digging up research on the topic of morale sympathy and autism, etc, but I also will not.

In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.


I have no doubt that there are many people who come here, take one look around, and leave because it is not a place they want to post. Sometimes they put in a post or two explaining why. Ironically, recently there was somebody who came and left rather quickly, saying on his way out that WP was "too positive about autism". You can't please or even help everybody. But you can make a site that is just right for many, many people and that does seem to be the case here. If the site were to change tone by having all negativity confined to the Haven that would make some people more comfortable here. But it would make a lot of other people less comfortable. Why are the needs of people who need a place where they don't have to self-police with the vigilance they must use in the NT world not considered?

About half the threads currently in General at the moment of this posting could be considred negative. One person is venting about how awful it is to wake up. Somebody else is having difficulty handling emotionally needy people. There's somebody who gets panic attacks, somebody else who always says the wrong thing and gets banned elsewhere and somebody else having problems with an unaccepting family. All these posts could theoretically could be in the Haven but why should they be? And why should the posters having those concerns worry that perhaps they are being a "downer" to lurkers by discussing panic, family woes etc? This format must be working for many people or there wouldn't be all these threads in General. It can't work for literally everyone (it isn't working for you) but the people that it is working for are importasnt too. And your suggestions would make this a less welcoming place for many who are comfortable with the current setup.



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23 Jan 2013, 3:38 pm

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This is not about WP being a bad place or a place that isn't trying to belong, this is about people resisting change that could be much closer to the main goal of the site, and as well give people better help.


I'm sure this is a very legitimate concern for you, but you have to remember that this isn't strictly a support site. It can provide some by being able to share with others online, but it's also a social outlet for many people. You can't separate those two from each other completely.



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23 Jan 2013, 3:41 pm

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About half the threads currently in General at the moment of this posting could be considred negative. <snip>


I did a personal rundown of the threads on the front page of General (because I'm autistic like that :P ), and basing it on my personal biases, I found +/- 25 threads were 'neutral', 11 threads were 'negative', and 8 were 'positive'. I counted among the positive ones threads like 'Famous Aspies' and the 2 'autistic meet-up' suggestion threads. So I'd say it balances out.


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23 Jan 2013, 3:49 pm

MjrMajorMajor wrote:
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This is not about WP being a bad place or a place that isn't trying to belong, this is about people resisting change that could be much closer to the main goal of the site, and as well give people better help.


I'm sure this is a very legitimate concern for you, but you have to remember that this isn't strictly a support site. It can provide some by being able to share with others online, but it's also a social outlet for many people. You can't separate those two from each other completely.
Agreed, but You'd have to admit if people are being turned away, that social outlet doesn't exist for a large number of people.



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23 Jan 2013, 3:51 pm

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About half the threads currently in General at the moment of this posting could be considred negative. <snip>


I did a personal rundown of the threads on the front page of General (because I'm autistic like that :P ), and basing it on my personal biases, I found +/- 25 threads were 'neutral', 11 threads were 'negative', and 8 were 'positive'. I counted among the positive ones threads like 'Famous Aspies' and the 2 'autistic meet-up' suggestion threads. So I'd say it balances out.


Actual statistics. 8) That is a pretty decent balance.



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23 Jan 2013, 4:05 pm

If you look at who is posting, there are so many different people. On the first page there're 38 different posters, while the second page has 39, etc etc. Almost every post is written by someone different. That seems fairly balanced as well.


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23 Jan 2013, 4:08 pm

This is one of the most active and populated forums I've ever been on.

I do think this forum is off-putting to some people, but not particularly because of its negativity.



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23 Jan 2013, 4:08 pm

What of the people who like negativity though?

I mean, a person liking negativity is just as valid as a person who prefers positivity.



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23 Jan 2013, 4:16 pm

I didn't sense a lot of negativity when I first visited WP. I still don't. Threads about people's problems in life don't bother me. I don't perceive them as negative. When there is a problem, I might be interested in analyzing it and figuring out some solutions. Positive threads are much less interesting. There is nothing to think about in them.



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23 Jan 2013, 4:30 pm

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Without a doubt I agree that many here are not effected as strongly by negativity as are the regular population.

There is no denial of this, however the reality is for a large number of aspies this site is overwhelming.

If you cannot see this, I'm sorry I have no way of explaining this. It's simply a matter of perception that is simply more sensitive, than what is found here, if you lack this sensitivity there really is no way to explain it.


I repeat Stoek, you still haven't stated how you come to know that you speak for this vast number of Aspies.
Through sympathy. It really is that simple. I do not speak for them, I'm simply sharing a concern which very many have raised.


You're a very popular person. The vast majority of the 70,000 members of WP - or indeed the planet, have messaged you their dissatisfaction. I'm amazed. :?


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23 Jan 2013, 4:35 pm

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What of the people who like negativity though?

I mean, a person liking negativity is just as valid as a person who prefers positivity.


Agreed

I'm drawn to it

negativity and conflict draw me more than people talking about happy things

My happiness receptors don't function properly

I think it's necessary for people to have differing focuses in society, to ensure all the needs of the group are catered for
ie I will be the first to spot a sign of risk or danger hence I'd keep the group safer than someone who was just jumping about whooping for joy like Tigger! (straight down a pot-hole they wouldn't have spotted!)



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23 Jan 2013, 5:19 pm

In the interests of taking action, which I believe that both sides of this debate would support, I have taken the suggestions above and created a poll in this sub-forum regarding this topic.

Back on page 2-3, I noted that I had made a post in the administration thread, and that I have sent a PM on this subject to the administration.


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