Are there any true geniuses here? (IQ over 155)
It's not really odd. It would be odd if the test was reliable enough for their high IQ rating to legitimately show that they are "intelligent enough" not to fall for it.
But as we know, that high IQ rating is not a true indicator of that, so yeah, it's not that odd.
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Gee, being 2 weeks late I should have a IQ of 150 then.
Getting how fast you integrated disasorted informations about asperger from a internet forum in a coherent whole, 130 is IMHO lower that your true potential. I'm really impressed how fast you have just "got it".http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt186115.html
Myself I have been officially tested around 115, but I somehow think I should be closer to 130.
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Not close. When i was tested at a young age i scored 130, later in life i got 127.
However, i don't think a person's IQ is an accurate representation of their intelligence.
I completely agree with Modality:
"I don't think IQ is the correct way to measure genius. One is known as a genius for producing works of genius, not by a score on some test."
However, i don't think a person's IQ is an accurate representation of their intelligence.
I completely agree with Modality:
"I don't think IQ is the correct way to measure genius. One is known as a genius for producing works of genius, not by a score on some test."
And here you have a whole different can o' worms: What constitutes a work of genius? Different people will have different answers.
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"Gifted is 2 standard deviations above the norm of 100 IQ, superior is right under that, and bright to normal under this."
The funny thing is I've found that people really fall, hook line and sinker for this stuff. It seems to be the ones that "have it" and this knowledge satisfies an inner need. For one, it can be an ego boost to atypical folk. As I've mentioned in my post in this thread about Feynman's and Crick's IQ to be out the gifted range; you can find a multitude of posts out there about this "incredible discrepancy."
Feynman stated in his own humorous way, that what's even more unusual about this winning of the Noble prize, is I did it with an IQ of 125.
As I've always said, the human mind is more modular than we really know, and this metric alone isn't the all defining moment.
It does mean something, as it correlates with that something, but it's not wholly complete.
I find it odd that the High IQ'd tend to fall into this, and quickly bite on it.
I tested as genius in the first grade. My mother told me I was a genius for a long time. I didn't start to actually think I might be smart until the mid-late 90s in my mid-late 20s. Even then, I still hesitate to think of myself as a genius, or even really gifted. When I was seriously entertaining the idea it made me want to kill myself because for whatever reason, I can't seem to function as a genius is expected to function. Or at least as I was expected to function because of my IQ score. Truth is, I don't really feel nearly as smart as I am supposed to be (and I don't even know what "intelligence" means most of the time in any event).
I'm kind of dubious of what appears to me in this thread a turn toward denigrating people who have scored higher on IQ tests, whether that score is accurate or not - I admit I could be wrong, but this is the sense I get from reading the latest messages. I mean, I agree with Callista that getting a high score on an IQ test by itself isn't really something worth bragging about (although I don't know that getting a good calculus grade is brag-worthy either - some people have the cognitive/neurological tools that make calculus accessible. Others do not, no matter how much effort they apply to the task). But I am not sure finding ways to characterize people as dupes or finding ways to cast them as inferior is an appropriate way to approach the idea that IQ testing is not entirely useful.
I took a professionally given test and got a 144 10 years go.
But really how can intelligence be measured on a linear scale?
Some people are absolute geniuses in the verbal realm, but can't read a blueprint or a map for squat.
Others (like me) have spatial & abstract reasoning skills off the charts, but reading a book is absolute torture.
And for me, anagrams are completely IMPOSSIBLE.
And then there's social intelligence... we here on WP all know about that one
And let us not forget the age old anecdote about Einstein's grade school teachers thinking he was ret*d. (I don't know about the accuracy of that, but people keep repeating it)
But really, I have found that most highly intelligent people I have known are really annoying. It's rare that intelligence and social skills go together.
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Mensa are the worst people in the world. I mean, they're fine inasmuch as they are simply a puzzle-swapping society. I'm all for that! But seriously, who defines themselves by having a high IQ? Creepy people, that's who.
I got tested in the top 2% in my first year at school, but it was while being tested for suspected mental retardation as they called it back then (I was 'inside my head', looking out the classroom window for 6 months).
But my mother took the opposite tack from yours and never told me anything.
"Gifted is 2 standard deviations above the norm of 100 IQ, superior is right under that, and bright to normal under this."
The funny thing is I've found that people really fall, hook line and sinker for this stuff. It seems to be the ones that "have it" and this knowledge satisfies an inner need. For one, it can be an ego boost to atypical folk. As I've mentioned in my post in this thread about Feynman's and Crick's IQ to be out the gifted range; you can find a multitude of posts out there about this "incredible discrepancy."
Feynman stated in his own humorous way, that what's even more unusual about this winning of the Noble prize, is I did it with an IQ of 125.
As I've always said, the human mind is more modular than we really know, and this metric alone isn't the all defining moment.
It does mean something, as it correlates with that something, but it's not wholly complete.
I find it odd that the High IQ'd tend to fall into this, and quickly bite on it.
I tested as genius in the first grade. My mother told me I was a genius for a long time. I didn't start to actually think I might be smart until the mid-late 90s in my mid-late 20s. Even then, I still hesitate to think of myself as a genius, or even really gifted. When I was seriously entertaining the idea it made me want to kill myself because for whatever reason, I can't seem to function as a genius is expected to function. Or at least as I was expected to function because of my IQ score. Truth is, I don't really feel nearly as smart as I am supposed to be (and I don't even know what "intelligence" means most of the time in any event).
I'm kind of dubious of what appears to me in this thread a turn toward denigrating people who have scored higher on IQ tests, whether that score is accurate or not - I admit I could be wrong, but this is the sense I get from reading the latest messages. I mean, I agree with Callista that getting a high score on an IQ test by itself isn't really something worth bragging about (although I don't know that getting a good calculus grade is brag-worthy either - some people have the cognitive/neurological tools that make calculus accessible. Others do not, no matter how much effort they apply to the task). But I am not sure finding ways to characterize people as dupes or finding ways to cast them as inferior is an appropriate way to approach the idea that IQ testing is not entirely useful.
Everyone has cognitive biases, and even the High IQ'd. The fact is that these ones( the ones in this context) do think that it is everything.
Have you ever been duped? I have been.
Nobody is perfect.
As I mentioned, the test correlates with something, but not everything. It's a big mistake to think that the metric means that one is creative and the it is impossible to win the Noble with under a Genius level IQ.
Gee, being 2 weeks late I should have a IQ of 150 then.
Getting how fast you integrated disasorted informations about asperger from a internet forum in a coherent whole, 130 is IMHO lower that your true potential. I'm really impressed how fast you have just "got it".http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt186115.html
Myself I have been officially tested around 115, but I somehow think I should be closer to 130.
I don't have access to my actual test scores, but I heard most of my sub scores are much higher, but my FSIQ is lower do to things like PSI and short term memory, which don't show up on online forums.
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But really how can intelligence be measured on a linear scale?
Some people are absolute geniuses in the verbal realm, but can't read a blueprint or a map for squat.
Others (like me) have spatial & abstract reasoning skills off the charts, but reading a book is absolute torture.
And for me, anagrams are completely IMPOSSIBLE.
And then there's social intelligence... we here on WP all know about that one
And let us not forget the age old anecdote about Einstein's grade school teachers thinking he was ret*d. (I don't know about the accuracy of that, but people keep repeating it)
But really, I have found that most highly intelligent people I have known are really annoying. It's rare that intelligence and social skills go together.
I will give you a even better one.
Because my X GF and I was fighting so much over the care and welfare of our daughter, the mothers lawyer demanded that we both go see a shrink. It just so happened that they already had the shrink on their payroll along with the judge and the lawyer.
So I went to see him, the only way I can describe it when your child is torn out of your arms and you are not allowed to see her anymore and she is 5 years old - would be like the people you see on the television who lost their child due to a automobile accident, flood, fire etc or kidnapping...
So here I am in emotional distress and this shrink wants me to look at these ink blots.
He says - what does this look like to you?
My answer is NOTHING because all I see is a ink blot.
The fight went on for about an hour.
How do you explain to a person - if you do not think the same way they do - what you perceive when you look at something.
YOU can show me a road map one time and I can drive you from point A to point B and if I get lost, I can get the map out, figure out what I did wrong and correct my route and get you there.
Furthermore - if it was while it was light outside, as long as the season does not change - leaves in the trees, leaves out of the trees etc- I can take you back to that exact same spot 10 years later without the map.
BUT - you show me a bunch of papers with ink blots - the ink blots are not important to me, hence they have no relevance.
I do not care if they look like bunnies or devils or witches to you.
All I care about is getting my daughter back and resuming some type of normalcy in my life.
Only the doctor wants to see what I am seeing, so he can guess what I am thinking and if my mind is troubled or not.
Of course my mind is troubled.
You take my daughter away from me without even a hearing and you expect me to live without seeing my daughter for 6 months - when I did absolutely nothing wrong and you expect me to sit there with a smile on my face and act as if nothing is wrong?
The Psychologists are the sickos in my opinion.
Most of them could not find their butt crack with both hands.
Are so stupid - oblivious to what is going on around them.
Here is a very good example -
I had a sister that works in that field for 20 years for one employer.
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I had to have her committed because she had a nervous break down because her children had no concept of money and she did not know how to say no, and they bled her dry.
When the money ran out and the credit card people was asking for their money back and she could not get a raise at work and was only making $24,000.00 a year at the state run mental health clinic she worked at / doing the doctors job of interviewing the clients, writing up the assessments, recommending the medications and treatments / while the doctors who ran the clinic got a $24,000.00 bonus for saving the organization money that year - for not increasing the salary of the employees for 8 years - what did they expect was going to happen when my sister left her husband and could not live on one income / trying to raise two teen age daughters?
Today she runs a network of group homes - about 24 I think. She does all the reports for the staff, does all the hiring and firing and manages the day to day affairs and has no problems and makes 50% more then what she would be making - had she stayed at her previous employment.
How can YOU - as a medical professional , treat people this way and still sleep at night?
AND YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT INK BLOTS?
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I once failed an eye eggsam while having good vision, because they told me to read what I saw in the little machine, not to read the letters that I saw in the little machine, so I did not read the letters, but I described the shapes of the letters according to some letter/number system that had a lot to do with the game Battleship that I played a lot at that time.
At my recent eye eggsam, I noticed that the doctor always said to read the letters.
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Plotting a novel isn't about having a high IQ, it's about being a creative person.
I'm am gifted, meaning I have an IQ around or above 130, and it's brought me nothing but misery.
Who revives these ancient threads?
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