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23 Jan 2013, 5:51 pm

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I can prove this by getting the names and addresses of every person that has ever come on this site ask them why they didn't come back. However this would violate the personal privacy of a large number of people, and as well waste an incredible amount of time I won't.
It would be much worse than that, because the names and addresses of everyone that has ever come to this site are not recorded anyway.

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In short this is something that is obvious, simply by the number of regular posters present, combined, with the number of people with autism, who have internet access, and the number for who that post on these sites.
It's not at all obvious.
As has already been stated - WP is not the only forum specialising in Autism, and you would need to take into account those who have only ever used some other site and never been here at all, those who simply prefer a different forum style and don't dislike WP but still prefer some other site, those who don't like any sort of forum and are happier on Facebook or IRC chatrooms - and so on.
I'll ignore the minor problem you'd have with contacting all these people in the first place. :wink:


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23 Jan 2013, 6:16 pm

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that wouldn't actually prove anything definitive. what you think is "obvious" is apparently counterintuitive to the majority of members who posted in your thread, so i'd say that you may want to reconsider your hypothesis


The hypothesis is fine.

The fallacy count for this thread is also off the chart.

I dont even know where to begin pointing them out.



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23 Jan 2013, 6:22 pm

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that wouldn't actually prove anything definitive. what you think is "obvious" is apparently counterintuitive to the majority of members who posted in your thread, so i'd say that you may want to reconsider your hypothesis


The hypothesis is fine.

The fallacy count for this thread is also off the chart.

I dont even know where to begin pointing them out.


Go on then, we're dying to know :wink:



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23 Jan 2013, 6:32 pm

I love this site. It's changed my life. I feel a sense of belonging here.


And, to be honest, having been a member of other non-autism forums in the past; bitching, pet peeves, emotional despair, mental health problems and debates are all endemic to most internet discussions groups if you let them run wild.

I don't think WP is an exception, and I do not view this as an intrinsically cynical, negative site; I view it as intrinsically intelligent, thoughtful, and brutally honest.
Just like many Aspies!

And there is some sense of genuine care and community and fondness and love on here too, in my opinion.

I like a site where life, and serious issues, are dealt with seriously, anyway. There is plenty of humour here, too, if you look for it.

That's just my two cents.

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23 Jan 2013, 6:34 pm

I'll go ahead and ask the obvious question:

What are the objective standards of "positive" or "negative" that I should be adhering to?

I don't post "positive" or "negative" things. I post what's on my mind, and people can make of it what they will. I'm "tone deaf" when it comes to the written word, as I assume many autistics are, so you'll forgive me for not automatically knowing on a psychic level what "tone" another person is likely to perceive as "negative."

I'm not interested continuing to be part of yet another forum where I'm going to be persecuted by the Thought Police for using the incorrect "tone." :roll: Oh, and "internet discussions/debates" are my hobby, so if someone doesn't like it, they're free to post in The Haven, which is the designated forum to post in if you can't handle criticism.

Honestly, if these self-absorbed "Wrong Planet/Alex/the moderators suck!" threads don't cease, I think I'm going to be taking an extended vacation until sanity returns.

Sheesh.


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23 Jan 2013, 8:00 pm

<--- Sigh. Wishes he could create a thread as popular as this one.



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23 Jan 2013, 8:28 pm

Easy. Think up something that isn't true, hence controversial and argue your point in the face of the opposite being true. Done.


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23 Jan 2013, 8:50 pm

True?

It seems "true" can be considered subjective in this area until someone reviews the stats and compares them.

True will still be subjective but you cant cast a frame around the issue one way or the other at this point.



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23 Jan 2013, 8:56 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
True?

It seems "true" can be considered subjective in this area until someone reviews the stats and compares them.

True will still be subjective but you cant cast a frame around the issue one way or the other at this point.


Well how about "fair"? Is it fair to change this place where so many are comfortable so that other people can feel comfortable instead?


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23 Jan 2013, 9:00 pm

Im not sure what change you are thinking of to be honest.



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23 Jan 2013, 9:02 pm

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Im not sure what change you are thinking of to be honest.


Any change, really.
In order for there to be change, it has to be enforced. If people are comfortable with the current set up, suddenly changing it to suit people who think there's too much negativity will drive more people away.


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23 Jan 2013, 9:08 pm

So you are asking - do people with ASD or Aspies fear change.

Thats an easy question. lol

That does not invalidate the thread imo.

any changes must be subtle sure.



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23 Jan 2013, 9:24 pm

.subtle...therefore this whole thread was highly unnecessary.


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23 Jan 2013, 9:28 pm

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It seems "true" can be considered subjective in this area until someone reviews the stats and compares them.


Isn't this enough for you: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt221870.html


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23 Jan 2013, 9:46 pm

Im amazed as well.

Saw the original post. Decided to ponder it before responding. Then I go back to it the next day and I see that it has expanded to 28 pages and over 400 responses!

I guess its a little late now- but I will now respond to - the original post as if it were the still first page.

I get what he is saying. But I dont get what he is saying.

I learned early on not to expect inspiration from WP- you might find it here- but dont expect it. Yes there is alot of negativity. But on most of the subforums atleast its honest negativity- folks saying "Im sad about my life". Unfortunelty I go to the PPR alot were you get dishonest negativity- people who deal with thier pain by trying to export it to others through axe grinding and verbally beating up on others and venting thier bigotries. Instead of admiting that they are sad about thier lives the talk about "killing everyone I disagree with", or "you all are bunch of idiots". Dishonest negativity is more irksome.

So- yes I observe the sorts of things that the op talks about.
But unlike him I dont see how anyone can do much about it- except to try to positive one's self and try to keep one's own negativity to minimum.



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26 Jan 2013, 10:14 pm

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Why is it, that alex's video's seem to have a near opposite direction than almost 95 percent of threads on this site?


'cause he wants to make money?


Look to above, and to rub our noses in it,. :roll:


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