Are there any true geniuses here? (IQ over 155)

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26 Mar 2012, 3:26 pm

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Plotting a novel isn't about having a high IQ, it's about being a creative person.

I'm am gifted, meaning I have an IQ around or above 130, and it's brought me nothing but misery.

Who revives these ancient threads?


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26 Mar 2012, 4:30 pm

Ink blots, seriously!? Nobody uses those things anymore. They're as outdated as luminiferous ether and bloodletting. What kind of a shrink still uses ink blots? Not a very good one, in my opinion. And in the opinion of pretty much all of modern psychology, especially the ever-growing portion of it based on actual research.


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26 Mar 2012, 4:40 pm

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I'm guessing that playing "dueling psych's" in court is expensive, and that since no one in the court is likely to be familiar with the field, an 'expert' can get away with a lot of BS (including outdated tests, especially if s/he can use the test's flaws to his/her side's advantage).



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27 Mar 2012, 9:19 am

I've done a few tests, ranging from 144 to 172. But I thought the definition of genius is 140 and over?


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27 Mar 2012, 9:52 am

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I got tested in the top 2% in my first year at school, but it was while being tested for suspected mental retardation as they called it back then (I was 'inside my head', looking out the classroom window for 6 months).
But my mother took the opposite tack from yours and never told me anything.


My mother got me tested because my first grade teacher told her I probably had a learning disability, which I apparently do not. But she considered my IQ score to be proof that there couldn't be anything wrong with me. So, despite the fact that I had obvious difficulties, I was told that I was too smart to have difficulties and to get the straight A's that should be so easy for me, but were not.

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Everyone has cognitive biases, and even the High IQ'd. The fact is that these ones( the ones in this context) do think that it is everything.

Have you ever been duped? I have been.

Nobody is perfect.

As I mentioned, the test correlates with something, but not everything. It's a big mistake to think that the metric means that one is creative and the it is impossible to win the Noble with under a Genius level IQ.


I didn't say people can't have cognitive biases, but it is just as easy to develop negative cognitive biases about a group of people (called "prejudice") on an arbitrary basis. I don't see the point of singling out a group of people and twisting things around like this.

I don't think the metric is very meaningful, but I do not think the problem is by any means people who get any particular score on it. They're given the information that they're given, but they're not the source of any problem here.



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27 Mar 2012, 10:17 am

Verdandi wrote:

I didn't say people can't have cognitive biases, but it is just as easy to develop negative cognitive biases about a group of people (called "prejudice") on an arbitrary basis. I don't see the point of singling out a group of people and twisting things around like this.

I don't think the metric is very meaningful, but I do not think the problem is by any means people who get any particular score on it. They're given the information that they're given, but they're not the source of any problem here.



Let's see if I can be clearer: From what I've seen and you can look a High IQ boards, is the belief that the high score means global. There are some exceptions. The dogma of this by psychometricians seems to have that effect or influence, at least initially.



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27 Mar 2012, 10:20 am

Mdyar wrote:
Let's see if I can be clearer: From what I've seen and you can look a High IQ boards, is the belief that the high score means global. There are some exceptions. The dogma of this by psychometricians seems to have that effect or influence, at least initially.


High IQ boards aren't interesting to me.

I don't think there's a way to spin this that will make me agree/understand.



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27 Mar 2012, 10:31 am

V. it's not just those boards per say. You can find voluminous postings that show perplexity by the non gifted IQ and achievement. It's terrible.
"Well, they just have to work harder at it."

It's entirely possible that those members of High IQ boards are in a minority and such ones need that for meaning in their life, hence latch on to the Dogma.

The generalization could be skewed.



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12 May 2013, 9:09 am

I suppose by your definition, I'm not, as my IQ is exactly 155 on a standard deviation of 15. To follow the structure used by one of the first posters in this thread, my 'special ability' is my 'eidetic memory'. I can memorise anything upon looking at it.



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12 May 2013, 10:15 am

I have an IQ over 155 and I am incredibly stupid. Everyone here agrees. People who know me in real life also agree. There are people here with half my IQ I look up to. Can we just forget about IQ? It only causes unnecessary heartache.



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12 May 2013, 10:28 am

IQ tests require specific preparation and skills. So you could find yourself overwhelmed by certain tasks and excel at others. A high IQ test would show that everything isn't as bad as you might think.



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12 May 2013, 2:30 pm

I "hit the ceiling" on my verbal and arithmetic IQs when I was in primary school, and my average IQ out of all my subtests was 160.

However at the age of 12 I started acting oddly, withdrawing more, experiencing paranoia and self-harming. At the age of 14, I started hearing voices. At the age of 15, I had my first psychotic episode. Since then I have had 12 separate hospital admissions and I'm diagnosed schizophrenic.

The above has not affected my intelligence greatly, but it has affected my motivation, my drive, my concentration span and my ability to perform (despite knowing the answers, I cannot communicate them well).

I had two years out of education and now I am a part-time university student doing Pharmacology at one of the best universities in the UK. However I am three years older than most of my fellow students.

My arithmetic is extremely fast. And my problem solving skills are high standard. Also my memory is good. However my medications sedate me at certain times of the day, so I'm not always at top performance.

I did the UK Senior Mathematics Olympiad at secondary school and came out as in the top 250 of the UK in that age group. I got average 96% in my A-levels.

However after leaving school, I suffered abuse from my mum, and had several severe relapses, two of which included me being sectioned by 5 police officers, handcuffed, in public, and had to be forced kicking and screaming into the back of a police van. Obviously the abuse and the relapses affected my ability to think badly for a while. Also I was homeless for 5 months. That was the time when I took two years out of education.

Now I am just getting by.

IQ is not everything. I can beat a calculator with some of my mental arithmetic, I can learn a whole train map in 15 minutes, and I can beat my PhD first-class honours degree Dad in Scrabble (a word game that requires high knowledge of vocabulary and good skill and strategy with words). However I am not top in my class at university, although I'm doing well. I don't feel that I will win the Nobel Prize or become famous. In fact I just want to complete my BSc Pharmacology, do an MSc, a PhD, and then perhaps work as a consultant of some sort.


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22 May 2013, 7:23 pm

I've been tested, as an adult, by Mensa and as part of a university research project. I scored over 155.

I'm not super smart. I'm not dumb either, but... Meh. I'm just good at puzzles. And the verbal parts of IQ tests.



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22 May 2013, 11:40 pm

I'm nowhere near being a genius - I'm probably about average in intellect. However, as an Aspie, I'm AMAZED by the number of people I know in real life who tell me how high their IQ is; in fact, so high as to be nearly impossible to believe.

Someone recently told me that his IQ was 170, yet he doesn't seem anywhere near that, just talking to him and knowing him.

People claim big things like I'm some sort of gullible idiot (maybe I am) :o



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23 May 2013, 1:34 am

Shoot!! My is only 154. I missed it by just one lousy point. ONE STUPID LOUSY POINT!! ARRGGGGGGGG!! !!

I guess as the old saying goes "Close, But no cigar!".



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23 May 2013, 7:00 am

I took the Mensa test when I was 29 and came out with an IQ score of 159. It was quite affirming, as it made me realise that I wasn't as stupid as everybody had always told me I was...

When I was 49 I was diagnosed with Aspergers. That made me realise, after all this time, that 'not fitting in' had made people convince me that I was stupid.

So, as I see it, being an aspie cancelled out any advantages I might have otherwise have gained from being clever beyond the average. Bright, but no clue how to use it.