Is self-diagnosis okay/valid/a good thing?

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Is self-diagnosis okay/valid/a good thing?
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No 32%  32%  [ 47 ]
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13 Dec 2014, 10:54 pm

I'm 39 and got diagnosed at the same age. How many years do I have to wait before I become old enough to stop being ageist?



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13 Dec 2014, 11:01 pm

B19 wrote:
The ageism has been ignored so far. It's on the table now.


Actually, B19, I noted the ageism you displayed on another thread when you suggested that younger people couldn't understand the struggles of older people on the spectrum solely because of their age, so no, the ageism has not been ignored, at least not by me.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:04 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
Let's just say that some neurological and mental health disorders are more desirable than others.

I hope I don’t offend anyone with what I am going to say, but I can relate with this.

Before getting diagnosed, I suspected Aspergers. But, I also suspected a bunch of other things as well (including Social Anxiety, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Sensory Processing Disorder, Avoidant Personality, Schizoid, etc. etc.).

Going in (to the psychological evaluation), I remember being nervous. I really didn’t want to get diagnosed with a Personality Disorder. Probably, because I didn't want my issues to be blamed on parents and peers (yes, I realize that researchers are beginning to identify other factors including possible genetic factors).



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13 Dec 2014, 11:09 pm

starkid wrote:
B19 wrote:
The ageism has been ignored so far. It's on the table now.


Actually, B19, I noted the ageism you displayed on another thread when you suggested that younger people couldn't understand the struggles of older people on the spectrum solely because of their age, so no, the ageism has not been ignored, at least not by me.


I certainly support policy development to address the ignored needs of the senior ASD population. If you want to attack the messenger for the message, so be it.

Leaving age aside, your remedy as a "professional diagnosis only" advocate to points (1 and 2) is what? Let's hear it.


(1 For older adults (50+) the revelation of ASD identity either was or will be self-generated in the vast majority of cases.

2. No sound "professional" diagnostic process nor criteria exist in respect of this group, who have also learned to "mask" symptoms from a lifetime of practice, in many cases).



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13 Dec 2014, 11:18 pm

starkid wrote:
This is why I don't understand when people say that a self-diagnosis of ASD gives them an explanation for their lives.
Maybe you lack empathy?


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13 Dec 2014, 11:21 pm

tall-p wrote:
starkid wrote:
This is why I don't understand when people say that a self-diagnosis of ASD gives them an explanation for their lives.
Probably you lack empathy.


Sure. Let's just ignore the detailed explanation I posted about my lack of understanding and randomly guess about my capacity for empathy.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:22 pm

B19 wrote:
The ageism has been ignored so far. It's on the table now.
Quite.

And it continues to be ignored by the undiagnosed who are simply refusing to give an age to the question
at what age is self-diagnosis valid?


Sidestepping?

PS - B19 you wrote the 'ageism has been ignored so far' in one post, and in the following post wrote 'leaving age aside for now'.
Which is it?



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13 Dec 2014, 11:23 pm

B19 wrote:
I certainly support policy development to address the ignored needs of the senior ASD population. If you want to attack the messenger for the message, so be it.


Overblown rhetoric that has nothing to do with my comment, as expected.

Back to ignoring your endlessly dishonest, passive-aggressive posts.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:27 pm

I don't think that it is good for people to say that they have autism to provide an eggsplanation to themselves or others for their lives, whatever that means. They can do the same by recognizing their traits, circumstances, choices, and all the other factors that contribute to the way their lives are or have been. Saying that one has autism when one is not diagnosed with autism is misrepresentation with potential negative effects for others, such as people who have autism.


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13 Dec 2014, 11:41 pm

I know quite a few middle-aged and older people diagnosed with autism.
The oldest person who participated in my research studies is 70.
None of them appear obviously autistic, but a professional was able to recognize autism in them.


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13 Dec 2014, 11:48 pm

I self-diagnosed myself based largely on my daughter's diagnosis. While I might be a "gene carrier", I realise now that I was searching for aspects of my life that I happily re-classifed as autistic traits but realise now it's just confirmation bias as I have always been comfortably functional and sociable all my life.

As much as it sucks I'm an just NT with a few autistic traits. I'm probably no more autistic than Jerry Seinfeld.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:56 pm

starkid wrote:
tall-p wrote:
starkid wrote:
This is why I don't understand when people say that a self-diagnosis of ASD gives them an explanation for their lives.
Probably you lack empathy.
Sure. Let's just ignore the detailed explanation I posted about my lack of understanding and randomly guess about my capacity for empathy.
Imagine in your mind... create in your mind, circumstances that would make self-diagnosing the best choice for the people who do so here on WP. Imagine how there are generations of people who made it through life who are/were on the spectrum, and there was no autism. Can people of a certain age look back on their lives and read about autism and Asperger's and conclude that they are on the spectrum? Or should they say they are probably on the spectrum to themselves?


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14 Dec 2014, 12:13 am

sonicallysensitive wrote:
B19 wrote:
The ageism has been ignored so far. It's on the table now.
Quite.

And it continues to be ignored by the undiagnosed who are simply refusing to give an age to the question
at what age is self-diagnosis valid?


Sidestepping?

PS - B19 you wrote the 'ageism has been ignored so far' in one post, and in the following post wrote 'leaving age aside for now'.
Which is it?


You keep asking at what age is self diagnosis valid. Are you genuinely surprised why no one has answered such an arbitrary question?

Norny replied to your question adequately several pages back, without directly answering said question.

Are you sincerely searching for an answer or just trying to pigeon hole those whom you disagree with? Please explain.



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14 Dec 2014, 12:21 am

tall-p wrote:
Imagine in your mind... create in your mind, circumstances that would make self-diagnosing the best choice for the people who do so here on WP. Imagine how there are generations of people who made it through life who are/were on the spectrum, and there was no autism.


I've already imagined those things, and, frankly, they would reflect poorly on self-diagnosers if they were true, at least in my opinion. I'd sooner give people the benefit of the doubt and not assume unless they come out and say that they self-diagnose for those reasons that I've imagined. Although I did ask on the other thread if self-diagnosis is an emotional thing (I can't remember my exact question). No one responded.

So I'm not going to bother speculating further unless I get something concrete.

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Can people of a certain age look back on their lives and read about autism and Asperger's and conclude that they are on the spectrum?

Obviously they can.

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Or should they say they are probably on the spectrum to themselves?

I think that they will say what they want to say, and I and everyone else will judge it how we see fit, and comment on it if we see fit to do so. I don't much care to dictate what people should do; rather I would say that if someone agrees with certain premises about self-diagnosis and the argument from those premises, then that person is logically obligated to agree with the conclusion of that argument, regardless of what the person actually does.



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14 Dec 2014, 12:27 am

Here's the thing I don't understand about self-diagnosis (and by "self-diagnosis" I mean people who are, according to themselves, sure they have ASD but haven't been officially diagnosed. I don't mean people who merely suspect they're on the spectrum):

How can you be so certain you have ASD and not something else? Sure, you can read and identify with the traits/symptoms you read about online but there's certain overlap between disorders and there's a reason even medical professionals are discouraged from diagnosing themselves. I'm not saying you're wrong when you say you're autistic (that's of course impossible for me to know), I just don't understand how you can be so sure.

Before I got diagnosed I suspected I was on the spectrum but I also suspected I was depressed, had social anxiety disorder, OCD and generalized anxiety disorder. I didn't know which of those I really had, if I had all of them or any of them. If you say you have autism and you're wrong, it doesn't really harm anyone but yourself (though you might not think that harms you either) but wouldn't it bother you if you would've believed in something, identified with something, only to find out you're wrong? And then you might think "yeah, but if I don't get assessed that will never happen" and that's probably true, but isn't it scary to think that you could just be biased and think you have something when you actually don't?

I really don't mean to offend anyone by saying this so I hope I didn't. I'm not saying you who identify as self-diagnosed autistics are wrong (because, like I said, that's impossible for me to know) and I understand that it's really difficult to get assessed sometimes due to the cost etc., but I'm just trying to understand because I could never live with that thought myself. The thought about possibly being wrong (that thought bothers me sometimes now that I'm officially diagnosed as well but much less so seeing as the psychologist who diagnosed me is specialized in assessing and working with adults with ASD).

Do you understand what I mean? It's a bit difficult to explain but I tried anyway.



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14 Dec 2014, 12:31 am

rebbieh wrote:
Here's the thing I don't understand about self-diagnosis (and by "self-diagnosis" I mean people who are, according to themselves, sure they have ASD but haven't been officially diagnosed. I don't mean people who merely suspect they're on the spectrum):

How can you be so certain you have ASD and not something else? Sure, you can read and identify with the traits/symptoms you read about online but there's certain overlap between disorders and there's a reason even medical professionals are discouraged from diagnosing themselves. I'm not saying you're wrong when you say you're autistic (that's of course impossible for me to know), I just don't understand how you can be so sure.

Before I got diagnosed I suspected I was on the spectrum but I also suspected I was depressed, had social anxiety disorder, OCD and generalized anxiety disorder. I didn't know which of those I really had, if I had all of them or any of them. If you say you have autism and you're wrong, it doesn't really harm anyone but yourself (though you might not think that harms you either) but wouldn't it bother you if you would've believed in something, identified with something, only to find out you're wrong? And then you might think "yeah, but if I don't get assessed that will never happen" and that's probably true, but isn't it scary to think that you could just be biased and think you have something when you actually don't?

I really don't mean to offend anyone by saying this so I hope I didn't. I'm not saying you who identify as self-diagnosed autistics are wrong (because, like I said, that's impossible for me to know) and I understand that it's really difficult to get assessed sometimes due to the cost etc., but I'm just trying to understand because I could never live with that thought myself. The thought about possibly being wrong (that thought bothers me sometimes now that I'm officially diagnosed as well but much less so seeing as the psychologist who diagnosed me is specialized in assessing and working with adults with ASD).

Do you understand what I mean? It's a bit difficult to explain but I tried anyway.


Thank you for expressing this. I will try to reply later when I have more time, with what I can personally relate.

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