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16 May 2018, 9:41 am

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I wouldn't want to go partying with 900 other people around me. That's just not the way I roll.....One, or maybe two, people is enough for me. Maybe a few more if it involves a team of "team trivia" or something. I guess I've always been a pretty "boring" guy LOL

The only "treatment" I need is to learn from my mistakes, and stop repeating them. To grow up and mature. To be a better teacher and communicator. To just be "better."

This will only come if I want it to come. No "medicine" will do that for me. No diet. It's my mind that has to be activated in that direction by ME. Nobody is going to do it for me, without me doing it for myself.


Maybe if you jazz up your serotonin enough you'll wanna hang out with 900 people. Or paint the living room in your sleep.



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16 May 2018, 9:44 am

If I'm hyper while attempting to paint MY living room, I'll break lots of things......



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16 May 2018, 9:48 am

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Goldfish has acquired many of the characteristics of a "disciple."

This is the way I would look at Goldfish. He's a "true believer," and he's earnest.

He's not a conman.

This doesn't mean that the treatment that worked for him will necessarily work for other people.


And the rest of us are heretics in need of salvation. I was actually thinking earlier along the lines of jesus complex, out to save the unbelievers who persecute him.



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16 May 2018, 9:53 am

He does have that "black and white" thing about him.....

In a way, like the various Inquisitions in medieval times---though Goldfish wouldn't go as far as to torture people who don't believe in his "true faith."

There was a guy on the subway yesterday who kept on yelling "Jesus this....and Jesus that." Constantly quoting from the Bible. He wasn't as loud as some other people I've experienced, fortunately for me.

How many people turned around to listen to him? Zero!



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16 May 2018, 10:04 am

Well Raleigh did use the analogy of him bludgeoning people with his deal.



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16 May 2018, 10:05 am

One thing I can say on Goldfish's behalf.

He DOES have a thick skin. You need that when you're autistic, or when you're a genius, or when you're an innovator, or when you "put yourself out" for people.

I don't have such a thick skin; maybe that's why I'm still just a clerk. I don't extend myself enough. I stick to my routine too much.

Goldfish does extend himself, and puts his best foot forward. Hopefully, people are permanently helped by the stuff that he does for them.

Sometimes, this temporary assistance might "disinspire" someone to seek permanent solutions. Instead, that someone seeks many immediate "temporary assistance" situations, yet still remains in the gutter.



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16 May 2018, 10:08 am

People who like to proselytize---whether in a religious or a secular sense-- tend to make the recipient of the "message" feel like he/she is being "bludgeoned" by the words spoken.



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16 May 2018, 10:10 am

Well I think he needs to consider the possibility or even probability that it's more of a brain chemistry issue than an autism issue. I mean we're not all like the couple of people he keeps pointing out. That's not necessarily a common thread in autism. But it is in brain chemistry problems.



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16 May 2018, 10:17 am

Brain chemistry----and yes, possibly even "gut flora."

This might not apply to many autistic people. This might, actually, apply more to schizophrenics. It is well-known that schizophrenia has a strong "brain chemistry" element to it. Alas, though, psychiatrists these, days, take the "brain chemistry" notions to extremes, and don't bother with the "talk therapy" aspect of their profession.

Autism is a complex neurological disorder, primarily. Many times, there are other disorders (some genetic) which accompany the autism. More complex than something which can be "cured" merely through medicinal means.



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16 May 2018, 10:23 am

Well like I was saying and like I found in several articles, gut flora affects brain chemistry. I used the words gut flora and serotonin in my search. The problem I had during my dark period wasn't due to autism. It was due to a brain chemistry problem.



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16 May 2018, 10:27 am

I feel like I was confirming, and seeking to supplement, your notion.

Goldfish knows, in his heart, that autism/Aspergers is the thing which underlies most of his difficulties. He went on the diet, and it alleviated his symptoms....therefore, to him, this would make a fine treatment for autism/Aspergers. Simple logic. Simple cause-and-effect.

Except that "simple logic" and cause-and-effect frequently don't apply. There are more complex forces at work.

Paradoxically, his treatment might have alleviated some of his symptoms-----but did not seem to alleviate at least one aspect of his autism/Aspergers: his all-or-nothing thought-pattern. He seems to be one who thinks in "absolutes." All or nothing. Black and white.

I am putting this out there as a theory, not as a statement of fact.



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16 May 2018, 10:38 am

my symptoms of somewhat losing ones confidence in talking to people, ability to talk fluently, general anxiety, self-esteem and social awkwardness will only get worse with age or as long as I don't have a job my mental health will deteriorate



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16 May 2018, 10:42 am

Nevertheless, I sense that Goldfish would be a decent guy to hang out with---as long as he doesn't lambaste me when I don't try some of his diet, or indulge in some of his "positive thinking," or refuse to kite-glide.

I also think it's foolish to boycott the United States because of the presence of Donald Trump.

Even if Trudeau is found to be a pedophile or something, I wouldn't boycott Canada, or Tim Horton's.



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16 May 2018, 10:48 am

I would agree with Scorpius that employment, most of the time, decreases the possibility that someone will regress.



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16 May 2018, 3:03 pm

The protocol that goldfish promotes is not solely an ASD treatment.
Improvement of ASD symptoms is merely a side effect of it.
The same protocol has been recommended for multiple health and mental health issues since at least 2009 when I started using it for a painful autoimmune response after contracting RRF.
If you're following any kind of paleo, primal or keto diet program, similar protocols are often included in the regimen as well.
Shortly after I joined WP I asked gf for his protocol because I wanted to see how similar it was to mine, and what do you know, it was very similar.
It's not like goldfish discovered the treatment, I fail to see why he needs to prove anything.
I believe his life has improved, like he says.
Anyone's life would improve if you adopt a more healthy lifestyle.
But he keeps raving about people not believing him and making everything about himself.
As long as he's doing that, he's not helping people, as he claims is his principle aim.
He's turning people away from him and his ideas by appearing as a "desperate to be believed" person in the same vein as others here seem desperate because they can't find love, and frankly, he doesn't present a very good example of what treatment can do for you, which is counterproductive to his aim.
If I was new to this forum and his ideas, I would certainly not be impressed by the way he presents himself and I would definitely not think, "Wow! He's so charming and charismatic. I must try this treatment!"
I would think, "This guy is autistic af. Whatever he's doing obviously isn't working."


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16 May 2018, 4:04 pm

I just caught up on this thread.

You either don't understand, or believe, what I'm telling you.

Textbook AS symptoms relieved by this medicine administered in this method. No amount of coping mechanisms, talk therapy, some behavioural expert correcting your mistakes until you memorize what to do, intellectual processing or any other form of treatment compares to using medicine to "activate the social circuitry," and then be able to navigate the social world intuitively & feel the connection to others that NT's are born with. When I stay strict to my diet & protocol, I'm not the one making mistakes and I find myself shaking my head at others' social obliviousness and I realize I'm only aware of these things because my social functions are working. I am still autistic, but I'm integrated into the social world like never before. This was, is, and remains my message.

And because you don't believe me you're not willing to try it for yourself. If you did believe me, you'd try it and see if it did in fact work similarly for you vs. the very honest statement from mr. RainbowUnion that he thinks I'm NUTS.

At least Doctors are now discussing all of these things at Autism Treatment Summits & people like Dr. Li mentioned a couple pages ago by a UK forum member are connecting the dots and realizing the things that I have been trying to communicate to you all for 5 years.

I remember a post in my thread 5 years ago.. someone said something like "You expect us to believe that you figured out what legions of researchers haven't?" and my response was something along the lines of, "I don't give a f**k what legions of researchers haven't figured out." That's still true, too. Just because someone at AutismSpeaks (or whichever research organization) didn't tell you these facts doesn't make them any less true because they came from one of us (me). But whatever, just because I don't give a f**k what they haven't learned yet doesn't mean you don't and at least they're finally learning and publishing these things now.. and maybe, just maybe, as more people with titles before their names and letters after them start telling you all the same things you'll begin to believe that I have always been telling you the simple truth of this matter.

Off to the beach for the evening with probably several hundred people, half of them partying naked in the Sun. Last weekend was the best turnout of the year so far with probably 2500-2800 people on the main beach. The busiest party days of the Summer will see ~10,000 people on the main.. it's a full on three ring circus of freaks in paradise! 8) And I never in a Million years would be the type of person enjoying time spent like this had I not figured out how to turn the social part of my brain/body on and make it work. That's my point with this bit of my post. Mañana, gentlemen.


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