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littlebee wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I am obsessed with my catatar. Sometimes, I look in threads where I posted just to look at her purrrfurrrt face. Other times, I view my profile to do the same.
Yours is definitely a good catatar, maybe the best I have seen...simple, pristine, centered, serene.....
Regarding the perceived value of these various animal pictures, it is interesting that no matter how beautiful or ugly a picture is, if you like the person, it will get more beautiful even if the animal picture is ugly,' or if you come to dislike the person it will become more ugly even if the animal picture is 'beautiful,' as subjective experience and various context will play into the perception. And yet there is some kind of quality of beauty that is beyond this, but hate can tarnish even that. People in general want this ideal of beauty but they are perfectly 'happy' to mar it with hate, all the while accusing other people of hating themselves, so the mirror is tarnished by their own clouded perception. In this sense, 'beauty' can be ugly, so is this real beauty? Or is even any beauty real, since different people are perceiving it differently?
This wasn't really about cat pictures per se but about how subjective context and feelings can color or discolor the picture of anything that is being perceived, be that an actual picture such as of a cat, or whatever a person is seeing with his eyes-- the perceptual field, or even a set of ideas. The associations a person has with this or that can and will stain reality. All that is pretty obvious and clearly stated in the message, so I assume everyone understands it.
The idea in the last sentence that beauty itself, such as the beauty of a spring day when a person is not thinking or feeling anything in a particular moment except joy or when a person is crying tears of joy because someone he loves or even himself is saved from great harm (or even reading in a newspaper about how someone doing a kind deed saved someone from harm---I have cried many times from reading stuff like that)---the question raised if that kind of beauty is even real may be kind of difficult to understand, so disregard it for now. It is real enough, even though a person having this kind of experience may still have wrong ideas about the world and negative feelings that discolor his perception and his actions later in the day will reflect this.
Obviously if we look at the cat pictures (or anything) in a fuller context, it has more of a potential to yield meaning, but again, like the pictures, any pictures, emotions and various ideas will color or discolor it.
This thread has yielded some insight for me about how that works, and I hope for others, too. I think a fitting response to my message might be some kind of cat pictures, and not saying this sarcastically. It can be interesting in certain contexts to experiment with creating various modalities with different shapes, and to see how one modality contrasts against another kind of modality.I am not that good at doing it, but some others are. Different kinds of language can evolve out of this and different areas of the brain that are kind of under the sand can be touched so that some kind of new understanding can be born.
To anyone--I know we all have experienced love, but has anyone ever experienced a great love, meaning a love so great that the realization of it transforms your entire mind directly on the spot, at least for that particular moment....and it leaves a profound trace? When I was around twenty, deeply suffering and already having been through all kinds of trauma, I had such an experience, and nothing was ever the same after that because I realized a different kind of world existed which included me into it by virtue of grace, and after that there was a new possibility. I had a real reason to live.
littlebee wrote:
littlebee wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I am obsessed with my catatar. Sometimes, I look in threads where I posted just to look at her purrrfurrrt face. Other times, I view my profile to do the same.
Yours is definitely a good catatar, maybe the best I have seen...simple, pristine, centered, serene.....
Regarding the perceived value of these various animal pictures, it is interesting that no matter how beautiful or ugly a picture is, if you like the person, it will get more beautiful even if the animal picture is ugly,' or if you come to dislike the person it will become more ugly even if the animal picture is 'beautiful,' as subjective experience and various context will play into the perception. And yet there is some kind of quality of beauty that is beyond this, but hate can tarnish even that. People in general want this ideal of beauty but they are perfectly 'happy' to mar it with hate, all the while accusing other people of hating themselves, so the mirror is tarnished by their own clouded perception. In this sense, 'beauty' can be ugly, so is this real beauty? Or is even any beauty real, since different people are perceiving it differently?
This wasn't really about cat pictures per se but about how subjective context and feelings can color or discolor the picture of anything that is being perceived, be that an actual picture such as of a cat, or whatever a person is seeing with his eyes-- the perceptual field, or even a set of ideas. The associations a person has with this or that can and will stain reality. All that is pretty obvious and clearly stated in the message, so I assume everyone understands it.
The idea in the last sentence that beauty itself, such as the beauty of a spring day when a person is not thinking or feeling anything in a particular moment except joy or when a person is crying tears of joy because someone he loves or even himself is saved from great harm (or even reading in a newspaper about how someone doing a kind deed saved someone from harm---I have cried many times from reading stuff like that)---the question raised if that kind of beauty is even real may be kind of difficult to understand, so disregard it for now. It is real enough, even though a person having this kind of experience may still have wrong ideas about the world and negative feelings that discolor his perception and his actions later in the day will reflect this.
Obviously if we look at the cat pictures (or anything) in a fuller context, it has more of a potential to yield meaning, but again, like the pictures, any pictures, emotions and various ideas will color or discolor it.
This thread has yielded some insight for me about how that works, and I hope for others, too. I think a fitting response to my message might be some kind of cat pictures, and not saying this sarcastically. It can be interesting in certain contexts to experiment with creating various modalities with different shapes, and to see how one modality contrasts against another kind of modality.I am not that good at doing it, but some others are. Different kinds of language can evolve out of this and different areas of the brain that are kind of under the sand can be touched so that some kind of new understanding can be born.
To anyone--I know we all have experienced love, but has anyone ever experienced a great love, meaning a love so great that the realization of it transforms your entire mind directly on the spot, at least for that particular moment....and it leaves a profound trace? When I was around twenty, deeply suffering and already having been through all kinds of trauma, I had such an experience, and nothing was ever the same after that because I realized a different kind of world existed which included me into it by virtue of grace, and after that there was a new possibility. I had a real reason to live.
Oy! I was watching the first episode of Gilligan's Island yesterday. Well after their ship wrecked, Gilligan and the Skipper set off on a makeshift raft to get help. Eventually after much paddling and yapping about the problem, they made landfall, thinking they had found a new island. It turned out, they had just gone in a circle and were right back where they started. However, they did not get back on the raft and do the same thing over 50 more times, making the same mistake each time.
Gilligan's Island, I highly recommend it!
wozeree wrote:
Oy! I was watching the first episode of Gilligan's Island yesterday. Well after their ship wrecked, Gilligan and the Skipper set off on a makeshift raft to get help. Eventually after much paddling and yapping about the problem, they made landfall, thinking they had found a new island. It turned out, they had just gone in a circle and were right back where they started. However, they did not get back on the raft and do the same thing over 50 more times, making the same mistake each time.
Gilligan's Island, I highly recommend it!
Gilligan's Island, I highly recommend it!
That's a really good metaphor.
When I was a kid I used to watch Gilligan's Island with the hope that they would get off the island in that particular episode. Eventually I realized that they never, ever would. When I got much older I realized that if they had ever gotten off the island, the show would have ended. They were doomed to their cycle of futility by show producers who had a vested interest in keeping them there, struggling endlessly. I think the show works as a metaphor for how some segments of society have a vested interest in keeping other segments of society in a futile but hopeful struggle, thinking that if they do THIS ONE THING that they will escape.
That's so OT but at this point in the thread who cares.
Janissy wrote:
wozeree wrote:
Oy! I was watching the first episode of Gilligan's Island yesterday. Well after their ship wrecked, Gilligan and the Skipper set off on a makeshift raft to get help. Eventually after much paddling and yapping about the problem, they made landfall, thinking they had found a new island. It turned out, they had just gone in a circle and were right back where they started. However, they did not get back on the raft and do the same thing over 50 more times, making the same mistake each time.
Gilligan's Island, I highly recommend it!
Gilligan's Island, I highly recommend it!
That's a really good metaphor.
When I was a kid I used to watch Gilligan's Island with the hope that they would get off the island in that particular episode. Eventually I realized that they never, ever would. When I got much older I realized that if they had ever gotten off the island, the show would have ended. They were doomed to their cycle of futility by show producers who had a vested interest in keeping them there, struggling endlessly. I think the show works as a metaphor for how some segments of society have a vested interest in keeping other segments of society in a futile but hopeful struggle, thinking that if they do THIS ONE THING that they will escape.
That's so OT but at this point in the thread who cares.
I was watching the original pilot and the creator guy was talking about it. He said that he created it to mimic the problems of people getting along on a grand scale, but shrunk it down to a few people. That's why the people are from different backgrounds and have different personalities. It really does have a lot of metaphors to explain how societies (like this one on WP) work.
I could go on and list some more for you but I'll spare you.
Extra bonus about GI though, it's really funny! I love it when Gilligan gets stuck somewhere and the Skipper tries to pull him out and they both fall on the ground tangled up with each other. Never gets old. (that's kind of a metaphor for this situation too)
This is Tatu again, wanted to add one of my other cats but due to a PC-crash I have no program to resize photos at the moment, so I could not upload a photo of the other cats, and I also don't know how to upload photos in posts, but now a smile from Tatu for everyone.
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Eloa wrote:
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This is Tatu again, wanted to add one of my other cats but due to a PC-crash I have no program to resize photos at the moment, so I could not upload a photo of the other cats, and I also don't know how to upload photos in posts, but now a smile from Tatu for everyone.
This is Tatu again, wanted to add one of my other cats but due to a PC-crash I have no program to resize photos at the moment, so I could not upload a photo of the other cats, and I also don't know how to upload photos in posts, but now a smile from Tatu for everyone.
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