Jono wrote:
It will show you how they like to claim that aspies and sociopaths are one and the same thing.
I have wondered about this exact thing due to all the apparent superficial overlap of observable traits.
Superficially there ARE a lot of overlaps, but the situation is more complex.
You have to use a reductionist approach to individual perspectives, and then you start seeing some clear differences in the origins (drivers of behaviors), and the intent.
It turns out (and I find this very fascinating) that to an aggressive narcissist or strong sociopath (their perspective), we would actually look to have many sociopathic traits. There is a strong mirror effect because of how we respond during interactions.
Basically, we do not respond to negative energy with positive energy. We respond with energy in kind based on what we get. I bring this up in my "GAMES people play" thread.
With us not playing correctly, the effect is to drive the sociopath or narcissist into a rage, which in turn triggers us to respond similarly, - an escalation.
While we might shrug off this interaction, the narcissist or sociopath may find the situation completely unacceptable, and thus desire a new more compliant partner.
If you reverse engineer the origins and intents of the behaviors observed, you should find significant differences between the two people, or neurotypes.
"The desire to always be right" is a simple example listed as an observable sociopathic trait.
Many of us will show this trait in our behaviors, especially if we are coupled with a sociopath who happens to not be right about something.
The intent of the sociopath is to force submission and gain power in hierarchy, or inside the relationship structure.
The intent of the aspie is to deliver accurate information, and/or to resist domination.
The origins and intents are different, though the outward observable behaviors can look the same.
I can certainly understand why so many people would be confused.
As a personal observation concerning this "need to be right" trait, it seems to me that the narcissists and sociopaths wish to avoid a lot of contact with other people who are more intelligent than themselves. I think it may scare them, and at least irritates them. They lose leverage.
On the other hand, I think aspies rather enjoy being around extremely intelligent people, even much more intelligent than themselves. I think they may feel more accepted, less threatened, and see an opportunity to learn new things. Perhaps major exceptions to this would be not enjoying being around extremely intelligent narcissists or sociopaths.
The mirror effect is a very tricky thing.
Some people throw around the term projection, but I feel that is too simple and doesn't get at the heart of the differences.
( I didn't mean to write so much. I just find it fascinating. )