So I posted in the infamous AS partners forum for NT's...

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25 Feb 2015, 3:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I absolutely agree.


So do I. We have some awesome NTs like Janissy, DW_A_Mom



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25 Feb 2015, 3:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Ironic, isn't it: Members of that "other site" who accuse WrongPlanet members of being "whiners" are consummate whiners themselves!

Irony? The streets there seem paved with the stuff. I couldn't help laughing when the lady called us all "rude," as part of a mega-rude post. My favourite so far is the demand that we stop reading and criticising their public posts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she reading and criticising ours? And a sight more destructively too.



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25 Feb 2015, 4:10 pm

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Long-term professional whiners don't have time for a job, whining is their full-time job. When anyone mentions that forum ("Delphi"), which could be renamed for accuracy as "whining central for repetitive whiners", I think how much some of them might benefit from this book:

http://www.drlaura.com/pg/jsp/community ... 4474069642

One-theme perpetual whiners are the biggest losers I have met in general life, because they never take responsibility for their own progress to better lives.

That a site like that takes the name of an ancient oracle site in Greece dedicated to Apollo is so laughable and ludicrous.


That's not entirely fair actually, considering that "Delphi" is not a single forum but rather an online service for hosting free internet forums. If you were to say that specifically the ASPartners forum, which is actually only one of 8000 forums using the "Delphi" domain name, is "whining central" then that would be more accurate.



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25 Feb 2015, 4:25 pm

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You linked to the mobile version, here's the post that you're talking about:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/aspartners/messages/?msg=13534.1

Oh yes, I see that she's deleted that post in the other thread and then reposted it separately. Smart move but, unfortunately, ineffective. You see, although my previous link now links to a deleted post, it still links to that same hate-filled thread that conflates aspies with sociopaths.

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To those of you on wrong planet reading this, get a damn job you losers and leave us alone. Cube and Jono
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By the way, thanks for the mention. I consider that a compliment. As for the job, I'm currently studying and will have little problem getting one, so thanks for the tip.



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25 Feb 2015, 4:41 pm

:roll: I have a job too... :lol:



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25 Feb 2015, 4:46 pm

Jono wrote:
B19 wrote:
Long-term professional whiners don't have time for a job, whining is their full-time job. When anyone mentions that forum ("Delphi"), which could be renamed for accuracy as "whining central for repetitive whiners", I think how much some of them might benefit from this book:

http://www.drlaura.com/pg/jsp/community ... 4474069642

One-theme perpetual whiners are the biggest losers I have met in general life, because they never take responsibility for their own progress to better lives.

That a site like that takes the name of an ancient oracle site in Greece dedicated to Apollo is so laughable and ludicrous.


That's not entirely fair actually, considering that "Delphi" is not a single forum but rather an online service for hosting free internet forums. If you were to say that specifically the ASPartners forum, which is actually only one of 8000 forums using the "Delphi" domain name, is "whining central" then that would be more accurate.


Yes if we told them that, they might say we were tarring everybody with the same brush. That would be ironic, considering that some of them are such masters of the art.



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25 Feb 2015, 5:48 pm

Nope...I'm actually a rather liberal, social democratic atheist.

I do believe that religion provides us with a moral basis, despite the really awful realities of history (e.g., wars based upon whether one puts up two fingers or three fingers during a certain ritual, the atrocities committed by ISIS).



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26 Feb 2015, 1:09 am

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It will show you how they like to claim that aspies and sociopaths are one and the same thing.


I have wondered about this exact thing due to all the apparent superficial overlap of observable traits.

Superficially there ARE a lot of overlaps, but the situation is more complex.
You have to use a reductionist approach to individual perspectives, and then you start seeing some clear differences in the origins (drivers of behaviors), and the intent.

It turns out (and I find this very fascinating) that to an aggressive narcissist or strong sociopath (their perspective), we would actually look to have many sociopathic traits. There is a strong mirror effect because of how we respond during interactions.

Basically, we do not respond to negative energy with positive energy. We respond with energy in kind based on what we get. I bring this up in my "GAMES people play" thread.
With us not playing correctly, the effect is to drive the sociopath or narcissist into a rage, which in turn triggers us to respond similarly, - an escalation.

While we might shrug off this interaction, the narcissist or sociopath may find the situation completely unacceptable, and thus desire a new more compliant partner.

If you reverse engineer the origins and intents of the behaviors observed, you should find significant differences between the two people, or neurotypes.

"The desire to always be right" is a simple example listed as an observable sociopathic trait.
Many of us will show this trait in our behaviors, especially if we are coupled with a sociopath who happens to not be right about something.
The intent of the sociopath is to force submission and gain power in hierarchy, or inside the relationship structure.
The intent of the aspie is to deliver accurate information, and/or to resist domination.
The origins and intents are different, though the outward observable behaviors can look the same.
I can certainly understand why so many people would be confused.

As a personal observation concerning this "need to be right" trait, it seems to me that the narcissists and sociopaths wish to avoid a lot of contact with other people who are more intelligent than themselves. I think it may scare them, and at least irritates them. They lose leverage.

On the other hand, I think aspies rather enjoy being around extremely intelligent people, even much more intelligent than themselves. I think they may feel more accepted, less threatened, and see an opportunity to learn new things. Perhaps major exceptions to this would be not enjoying being around extremely intelligent narcissists or sociopaths.

The mirror effect is a very tricky thing.
Some people throw around the term projection, but I feel that is too simple and doesn't get at the heart of the differences.

( I didn't mean to write so much. I just find it fascinating. )



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26 Feb 2015, 5:13 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nope...I'm actually a rather liberal, social democratic atheist.

I do believe that religion provides us with a moral basis, despite the really awful realities of history (e.g., wars based upon whether one puts up two fingers or three fingers during a certain ritual, the atrocities committed by ISIS).


If you're replying to Cubedemon's post then I think he saying that bstn was a conservative christian, not you.



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26 Feb 2015, 5:15 am

That post concerning Wrongplanet is deleted now. Oh well, at least we know what said because because it was quoted by League_Girl and others.



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26 Feb 2015, 8:21 am

It's on the interwebs forever.



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26 Feb 2015, 11:11 am

Yeah thanks to me quoting it unless someone else decides to delete it. I wonder who is erasing her posts? Is it some other admin or does she not own that board and someone doesn't want to hear her whine about this place? Some places don't allow attacks about other boards due to drama.


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26 Feb 2015, 12:27 pm

She's reading all the posts here, saw us mocking her, and deleted it in response.



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26 Feb 2015, 1:50 pm

That whole thread we've been talking about has now been deleted as well. Somehow, I think what happened may be more than just her deleting it in response to us talking about this.



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26 Feb 2015, 2:46 pm

Jono wrote:
That whole thread we've been talking about has now been deleted as well. Somehow, I think what happened may be more than just her deleting it in response to us talking about this.

I guess if they delete every bigoted post we expose, their forum will become non-judgemental. That would be a fine thing.



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26 Feb 2015, 3:03 pm

I guess we'll quote every post they make about us. Do a babycenter thing.


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