Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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Doubtful, as those things seem far too unrelated, but I have no idea.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

GF, I don't have my opinions because the person is to disabled. I have my opinions that I do because they're disabled and we live in a society in which the ppl don't give a damn and it is an every man for himself type of society instead of a communitarian and let's look out for each other type of society. Stats aren't the only factor I've looked at.

Forget about statistics, altogether. They do not reflect the truth of the lives of individual people. I don't go by them, myself.

I go by what's true for Kraftiekortie----which might not be true for Goldfish, or for CubeDiamond. And some sort of "objective standard" as well. But not statistics. Statistics only offer a composite sketch, a cartoon if you will. Nobody can have 2.3 cars in their garage.

I feel like people with autism frequently have a difficult time obtaining employment and self-sufficiency---but that neither employment nor self-sufficiency are by any means "impossible" for people with autism. They sometimes need help in such things as interviewing. They need the advice of autistic people who have been on interviews, have had jobs, and are succeeding in their jobs.

I would never tell a kid diagnosed with autism that "statistics show that you will have difficulty obtaining employment, since the unemployment rate is [apparently] 80% for people with autism." I wouldn't mention the statistics at all. I would look at the individual person. It will be easier for some than for others.

The "tests" you mentioned, CubeDiamond, are primarily found within applications for retail jobs. They are quite rare outside of applications for retail jobs.

Sorry, CubeDemon

I'm not advocating playing the game by "their" rules. I'm more advocating "getting around" the rules, so to speak. This is what I've done.

I've managed to stay at my place for 37 1/2 years through, primarily, my skill as a typist--as well as some adaptation to the "prevailing standard."

I've had to take a lot of crap over the years----and let it slide off my shoulder. You'll get this everywhere. You'll get this even in more "compassionate" societies. It is the way people operate. Even Asperger's people, by the way. You see this sort of thinking even amongst Aspie-Autistics on WrongPlanet.

I'm not saying you should change your mode of life. You've done it for a reason, perhaps a good reason.

I'm just for "leaving it open" for a person with autism to decide whether or not he/she will pursue the conventional route, or the unconventional route. I've pursued the relatively "conventional" route, and have been somewhat successful. The way to do it is to "do your job," and to let insults slide off your shoulder. To be superficially friendly to people without having to "play the game" totally.

People have different perspectives on this. I have mine. I don't have enough, should I have a kid, to "save up" for a kid to lead a life catered solely to "self-actualization." I don't have the means to support a kid for the rest of the kid's life. If somebody wants to do that---fine. But I can't do it.

And, please....don't put me in that category which advocates a "dog-eat-dog" world. I'm not like that at all. Anybody who knows me would know that. I'll be pissed if somebody thought I was that type of person.

Cube,

How do you figure we don’t live in a compassionate society towards people with disabilities, especially here in North America? Things may be a bit better here in Canada than in the USA, but still.. you receive a monthly amount of money that keeps a roof over your head and food in your stomach because the rest of society that’s out their earning it collectively feels compassionate enough towards disabled people to provide basic necessities of life. I know people on disability aren’t living the high life, but they’re not exactly dying of disease and starvation, either. In other parts of the world, in different societies, if you’re not able to fend for yourself via work or begging or w/e, it’s very simple: you die. As much as people on disability aren’t living in the lap of luxury (although, I think a couple on disability takes home more than I do with my current low income) they’re not exactly so hard done by and “forced to play someone else’s game,” or die, At All.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

The difference between Canada and the US, I believe, is that people in Canada get less benefits---but are guaranteed a roof over their head.

Both the US and Canada provide free medical care for those who are on "benefits."

Looking at how the world is so f****d up I'm beggining to wonder if the scenario that happened in the movie Children of Men would be a blessing. I mean, if we as a society can elect a man like Trump I really think it would be a blessing.

For someone who worships logic that’s not a very realistic option for the vast majority of parents of disabled children.

Do you have any concept of how much money one would have to be able to save up and invest in order to provide lifelong income to a child for ~80-100 years?

The percentage of people with disabled children who could afford to do that is likely quite low.

Now the 1 in 5 chance of a disabled person succeeding in the work force and being self sufficient is looking much more attractive, isn’t it?

That’s a part of why people mainstream their disabled kids. It is literally those kids’ best chance at long term survival.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

The stats do beg the question. What were the variables that made those employed that were missing from those not in the labor force?

Possible answers:

a. There could be more disabled ppl employed and they chose not to report.

b. It is possible they believed they could do it in spite of the odds and tossed the stats in the trash. Maybe a GF type of person was there for them

c. Wealth of parents may play a factor cause services could be paid for

d. location could be a factor

e. the ones who reported could have reported false data

f. Maybe a good chunk of disabled not in labor force are senior citizens

g. unknown variables

I do have another question. Can the very act of reading the data cause the very data to be influenced? In this case maybe parents kept their children not in the labor force cause they saw the results.

Yep. All those could be true.

I am one of those who does not report my "disability."

I'm not a real fan of dystopias---because too many people think they are actually possible.