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07 Jun 2009, 4:38 am

Sometimes the guide stands looking at the building in question, and so all the people stand looking at the guide with their backs to the building ! !! !! !! In the meantime, I stroll around the building, enjoy its atmosphere, take interesting photos of it, while listening to the guide in the background a bit and keeping alert to when they're moving away, so I won't miss them.

Now imagine a place like Temple Mount (where the Wailing Wall and the Muslim 3rd. most sacred place are); this is the very navel of humanity - the very core of human conflict for thousands of years, the very symbol of humanity and its nature, its beauty (humanity's artistic expressions) and its ugliness (humanity's wars, conflicts, mutual destruction). On Temple Mount you feel like you're suspended half on Earth and half in Heaven. They say it's God's reigning seat on Earth and indeed, you can feel God's presence there even if you're not religious, like me. The kinds of humans that pass you by are amazing - all races, all religions, tourists and pilgrims from every corner of the Earth, everyone in a spiritual trance. I was going around in utter awe the other day..........while everyone else was glued to the guide and holding eye contact with the guide, for 3 hours! 8O


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07 Jun 2009, 5:02 am

Every time you talk about your experiences in this thread Greentea, I am filled with the desire to go globetrotting with you. You keep expressing all these things I'm always feeling at places, and I badly want to share and discuss with others. Even when they are interested in the concept in theory, I'm speaking alien to them, it just doesn't compute.

I've tried to explain to people how I just walk into many churches here in America, and it is just another community center. They might have some pretty paintings or sculptures some stained glass a well built sanctuary. Then you walk into a place like Notre Dame or go to small church in a side alley that has been there since this metropolis was farmland and peasants, and you just FEEL the presence of all the emotion people have invested into worship. I get the same thing in a lot of the Buddhist temples I've been to here locally. That sense of someone having given over everything they are in dedication to a concept or act. I get flashes of it watching anybody who performs a feat with that vulnerability that comes from spending so completely of yourself that you "left it all out there" as they say.



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07 Jun 2009, 5:23 am

The OP's behaviour sounds exactly what mine would be like in the same situation. If I'm sightseeing, I want to see the sights, not look at humans. If I wanted to look at humans, I'd walk up to my local shopping centre.


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07 Jun 2009, 5:32 am

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That sense of someone having given over everything they are in dedication to a concept or act. I get flashes of it watching anybody who performs a feat with that vulnerability that comes from spending so completely of yourself that you "left it all out there" as they say.


That is exactly what I'm in awe about. I wouldn't have been able to say it so well as you did ! ! People always ask me why I go if I'm not religious. I tell them I don't care in honor of what belief of theirs they made their art. What fills me with wonder is that humans are capable of producing such heavenly beauty when they're inspired by their higher spiritual self.

When I feel the winds of the African Sahara desert blowing among the minarets of the mosques and the roofs of the churches, rippling the many veils covering the women from each religion, with the sound of the churches bells in the air, the muazzin calling to prayer and the murmur of prayers at the Western Wall, the setting sun famous of Jerusalem that covers all the ancient stone buildings in golden light, the smell of the incense coming up from the Holy Sepulchre and mingling with the exotic smells of the Oriental spices in the Byzantine markets still bustling today........the last thing I want to do is hold eye contact with the tour guide and listen to a lecture! :lol: :lol:


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07 Jun 2009, 6:00 am

You give that monologue, and I am There. If you were walking around experiencing that, and giving the running narrative, at the same time that I was walking around experiencing it myself, it would amplify the sense of rapture I get. It helps me maintain my center and focus without being overwhelmed while at the same time increasing the amount of stimulus I am receiving directly related to that hidden nugget of knowledge that we all Know in our hearts ties us to one another and yet for pragmatic purposes and in the pursuit of convenience we shove aside in our day to day life as humans.

I am atheist because it is already too much when I understand it all without putting some kind of manufactured spirituality over it. The raw power contained in a single human mind that dedicates itself to accomplishing something, I feel immensely greedy expecting there to be more than that. We are, and So We shall Be, and So I Am. It is far more than enough.



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10 Jun 2009, 1:56 pm

millie, you give me far too much credit for showing some humanity :o :o still, I do try to be an honorable person on here(WP) nevertheless though...



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10 Jun 2009, 10:20 pm

Greentea wrote:
Sometimes the guide stands looking at the building in question, and so all the people stand looking at the guide with their backs to the building ! !! !! !! In the meantime, I stroll around the building, enjoy its atmosphere, take interesting photos of it, while listening to the guide in the background a bit and keeping alert to when they're moving away, so I won't miss them.

Now imagine a place like Temple Mount (where the Wailing Wall and the Muslim 3rd. most sacred place are); this is the very navel of humanity - the very core of human conflict for thousands of years, the very symbol of humanity and its nature, its beauty (humanity's artistic expressions) and its ugliness (humanity's wars, conflicts, mutual destruction). On Temple Mount you feel like you're suspended half on Earth and half in Heaven. They say it's God's reigning seat on Earth and indeed, you can feel God's presence there even if you're not religious, like me. The kinds of humans that pass you by are amazing - all races, all religions, tourists and pilgrims from every corner of the Earth, everyone in a spiritual trance. I was going around in utter awe the other day..........while everyone else was glued to the guide and holding eye contact with the guide, for 3 hours! 8O


yeah, that's great description the pictures don't really convey the feeling. sigh. love to go there but know i won't.



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10 Jun 2009, 10:29 pm

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That sense of someone having given over everything they are in dedication to a concept or act. I get flashes of it watching anybody who performs a feat with that vulnerability that comes from spending so completely of yourself that you "left it all out there" as they say.


That is exactly what I'm in awe about. I wouldn't have been able to say it so well as you did ! ! People always ask me why I go if I'm not religious. I tell them I don't care in honor of what belief of theirs they made their art. What fills me with wonder is that humans are capable of producing such heavenly beauty when they're inspired by their higher spiritual self.

When I feel the winds of the African Sahara desert blowing among the minarets of the mosques and the roofs of the churches, rippling the many veils covering the women from each religion, with the sound of the churches bells in the air, the muazzin calling to prayer and the murmur of prayers at the Western Wall, the setting sun famous of Jerusalem that covers all the ancient stone buildings in golden light, the smell of the incense coming up from the Holy Sepulchre and mingling with the exotic smells of the Oriental spices in the Byzantine markets still bustling today........the last thing I want to do is hold eye contact with the tour guide and listen to a lecture! :lol: :lol:


should be a bloody writer, greentea................................. very good final paragraph above.



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10 Jun 2009, 11:34 pm

Greentea wrote:
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"It is like a finger pointing at the moon (his apprentice looks at his finger&bruce slaps him), don't watch the finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory"


Exactly. So why am I the strange one?

(I wouldn't know where to go if I went alone, and what to look for. Besides, I do listen to the guide as I'm walking around)


I do the same thing as you do also. I love taking pictures, and I can pay attention to the speaker and listen to them becasue I have the ability to NOT have to have eye contact and look at the speaker as everyone else seems to have to. To others, I seem to be paying absoulutely no attention to the speaker, but in fact, I am listening quite intently and at what the speaker is talking about( the beautifuul surroundings)



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10 Jun 2009, 11:48 pm

When I plan a vacation,etc, my priority in mind is that it must be a place with beautiful views worth taking photos of, not of places where there are alot of people and gatherings. Rocky mountain National Park was last years destination. This year it is Yellowstone National Park and Grand Teton National Park. I've been wanting to go there my whole life. I have reserved a cabin for 5 days. I hope I will have enough time to see everything.

http://genisa34.multiply.com/photos/alb ... dscapes_#6



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11 Jun 2009, 12:31 am

FrogGirl wrote:
When I plan a vacation,etc, my priority in mind is that it must be a place with beautiful views worth taking photos of, not of places where there are alot of people and gatherings. Rocky mountain National Park was last years destination. This year it is Yellowstone National Park and Grand Teton National Park. I've been wanting to go there my whole life. I have reserved a cabin for 5 days. I hope I will have enough time to see everything.

http://genisa34.multiply.com/photos/alb ... dscapes_#6


gee FrogGirl, those pics are very well balance and very good. lovely sense of harmony to them. :)



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11 Jun 2009, 12:58 am

Greentea wrote:
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That sense of someone having given over everything they are in dedication to a concept or act. I get flashes of it watching anybody who performs a feat with that vulnerability that comes from spending so completely of yourself that you "left it all out there" as they say.


That is exactly what I'm in awe about. I wouldn't have been able to say it so well as you did ! ! People always ask me why I go if I'm not religious. I tell them I don't care in honor of what belief of theirs they made their art. What fills me with wonder is that humans are capable of producing such heavenly beauty when they're inspired by their higher spiritual self.

When I feel the winds of the African Sahara desert blowing among the minarets of the mosques and the roofs of the churches, rippling the many veils covering the women from each religion, with the sound of the churches bells in the air, the muazzin calling to prayer and the murmur of prayers at the Western Wall, the setting sun famous of Jerusalem that covers all the ancient stone buildings in golden light, the smell of the incense coming up from the Holy Sepulchre and mingling with the exotic smells of the Oriental spices in the Byzantine markets still bustling today........the last thing I want to do is hold eye contact with the tour guide and listen to a lecture! :lol: :lol:

I have a similar kind of spiritual/emotional experience hiking in the mountains. I get the sense that other people just don't appreciate the beauty the way I do.

I can't stand doing hikes with large groups. It just isn't the same without the freedom to wonder, explore, and stop and rest or take photos wherever I choose. When I'm with a bunch of people all tromping along in a line talking the entire time it just ruins the experience for me. :(



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11 Jun 2009, 11:35 am

millie, thank you :)

marshall, I once went on a spiritual trip abroad to the mountains in Cyprus. The tour guide was a Psychiatrist+Psychologist and the co-guide was a Psychodramatist. We had meditative walks in the mountains where each member of the group sets up on the walk and the next one counts to 20 before setting out, to ensure that we'd all be totally alone with ourselves on the walk but at the same time in the safety and comfort of a group and with guides. I think these guys could sell trips to Aspies and make millions :)

postperson, aren't pilgrims supposed to come on foot all the way from wherever you are? :wink: Don't tell me you can't swim?


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11 Jun 2009, 5:57 pm

You are strange, keep it up.

I want to see the cellers, the foundation, which often tells another story, who was here first.

In the Americas history was torn down to build temples to looting and pillaging.

It is the whole story for me, the flow of time over an area, and I do my reading before seeing.

European tour guides do not mention the thousands burned at the stake in the lovely town square, or how the current residents slaughtered the people who built the town a few hundred years ago and took over.

History is very CSI.



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European tour guides do not mention the thousands burned at the stake in the lovely town square, or how the current residents slaughtered the people who built the town a few hundred years ago and took over.


I was eating dinner on the patio of a pizza joint next to the San Miguel Church in Santa Fe, NM--the oldest church in the US--and reading the sign in front of it that said it had been built with the help of Indians from Mexico (don't recall the tribe), and I thought, "That should probably say ENSLAVED Indians from Mexico."



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13 Jun 2009, 3:42 am

Yesterday was the same. At one point, for example, we went into a church where the window panes were yellow-orange, and the sun was strong outside, so the church benches were covered in this yellow-orange-honey light beams, I was in awe at the beauty and taking photos trying to capture the light. I don't think anyone else saw this light at all or noticed it. They were all sitting with their backs to the scene and looking at the guide lecturing all the time.


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