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27 Jan 2006, 1:31 pm

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btw, my reference to AS included HFA; I don't really think there's too much difference between them. (Just an opinion)

Perhaps there's not much difference, in the neurological side of things. Perhaps just a single trait or small selection of traits. But that small selection still changes the way thoughts are processed, or how a person develops. What is Aspergers if not a small selection of traits itself? However little the difference may be, it can cause definate differences in the person's thought patterns.

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My own personal view is that there's not too much radical anti-NT rhetoric here; but even if there is, I think some people are entitled to occasionally let off some steam considering the way they get treated like sh** in the big world. And I'm not apportioning blame for the way they get treated, btw; they just do. If it's convenient for them to blame NTs, briefly, to have some tangible focus for their anger, then best of luck to them.

I must agree with you, ascan. However, it is always there, a persistent and obscuring view of NTs that colors their every vision. I do not think that, because they have been targeted some in the past, that entitles them to hate them or fume. It happens to everyone; s**t happens. When the anger is vented, and agreed with by other people, its not a release. It's a validation of their hate, and an escalation of that hate continues to occur. It just doesn't work as you might hope.

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27 Jan 2006, 1:34 pm

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Yes. Relative to the fact this is an "Aspergers and Autism Community". That's why people come here, isn't it? We're not in a forum for fisherman, or fornicators, are we? I guess most ASD people's views wouldn't create too interesting an environment there.

Ah yes, of course. We want neurodiversity for ourselves, yet we would not have that view when it comes to NTs. It's funny, how everyone wants to point at the other person and say "YOU need to have neurodiversity" when we should ourselves be starting the ball rolling, drop our grudges, and accept the so-called NTs as our equals and as diverse individuals.

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27 Jan 2006, 1:45 pm

danlo wrote:

ascan wrote:

btw, my reference to AS included HFA; I don't really think there's too much difference between them. (Just an opinion)

That's true, but we still must use a degree of categorisation, along with generalisations to make sense of anything. My own personal opinion is that you don't necessarily have to have a diagnoseable case of AS, or HFA, to have severe problems. If your spread of deficits don't meet the criteria, you officially don't have it, yet the areas where you do suffer may actually put you at a worse disadvantage than someone with a dx. That's not to devalue the dx, because like anything in life it's all about probability. In this case if I want to communicate with people who are more likely to be like me, then I'll look to do that with people with that dx.

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27 Jan 2006, 1:49 pm

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Yeah, like letting the fox into the field of lambs in the name of biodiversity.

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27 Jan 2006, 7:19 pm

I didnt do anything to you. I never heard of you.

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27 Jan 2006, 8:04 pm

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I used to be a militant Aspie of the greatest kind. I even made Aspergers into a type of religion. It was my GOAL IN LIFE to try to help other Aspies feel self-esteem. But after I made a huge effort to do so... a startling discovery came to me.

None of you want actual help.

Most of you are here just to gloat your 'abilities' because you can't do it anywhere else. I'm sick and tired of seeing this wonderful forum go to waste by a bunce of useless threads only meant for those who want to brag on themselves. They pretend like they are asking advice or help, but when reading between the lines, it become blatantly obvious most of you are completely out of your minds.

I tried making a Superhero for all of us. A few stepped up to "help" (note the quotation marks), but NONE FOLLOWED THROUGH. I THOUGHT PART OF AS WAS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THINGS?

I've came to realize that I no longer believe in a difference between Aspergers or any other type of 'autism'. It is the enviroment you grew up in, mainly. My dad yelled at me all the time. Made me think I was worthless sometimes. I came to realize that Aspergers Syndrome is a scapegoat for kids who just grew up in the wrong elements of life.

The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it. You have all proven to me that you are useless. YOU TOOK WHAT PRIDE I HAD IN BEING 'AS' AND DASHED IT TO MILLIONS OF WORTHLESS PIECES! If there was a war between NTs and AS people, I would gladly join with the NTs in a heartbeat.

I blame all of you here at this forum and every other AS forum I tried visiting to show 'The Great Aspie Man' idea. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves...
just because you have converted this forum to a narcissistic supply for yourselves doesn't mean you have to ignore those who actually try to HELP out other AS PEOPLE without STRUTTING THEIR ABILITIES AND TRYING TO SHOW OFF!

Thanks guys. For nothing.

uh.... sir, you have grouped ALL of us as we are accused of grouping all NT's.
We are not worthless, anymore than NTs are. SOME, if not most, NTs DO NOT understand us and when people are not understood there is resentment and even ill feelings towards them. That is human nature. Sorry that you have a problem with us. I hope that you are able to work out what ever it is that is bothering you. We all argue our opinions passionately, but there is no need for the judgemental and meanness.

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28 Jan 2006, 2:45 am

I enjoy reading things that i disagree with and piss me off because it gives me the illusion that i am smarter, or wiser, or more well adjusted than whoever I am disagreeing with. I feel a small degree of shame about this and i'm working towards always considering it fairly, but this i am finding is very difficult. Immediately after I approach a statement that i disagree with, and therefore makes me feel better, i try to consider it fairly. Really looking at it fairly, just to see if i can do it, and almost all of the time I find my previous view toward the matter is more effective for me, but i don't push the analysis very hard. If someone really wanted me to consider an alternative view, i would really think it out, but this has never happened yet.

I think the important thing is that i know it is merely an illusion. And that justifies my still feeling that initial illusion. Especially because i try to analyze why it is merely an illusion thereafter.

I enjoyed reading this because it was such a hateful unhelpful rant that it was just like high octane fuel for my conceit. On the other hand, there was some truth to it(imo), which i'm not going to point out unless someone cares what i think. But there are a few key points which are very satisfying about this post, one is that the way it was written totally defeats its apparent purpose. And two that the poster seems to miss, or disagree with the idea that it doesn't matter how a person gains happiness, especially if it is harmless, it just matters that they are happy.
If people on this site want to praise themselves there seems to be little harm in letting them, on the contrary, it seems a good source of support to feel good about our positive skills, it is not a krutch. And second it seems that the post was just to denounce wrongplanet for being a haven of self appreciating idiots, in an attempt to make them be ashamed about it and all this post is going to do is piss them off and unite them stronger.
On the other hand if that was the real purpose of that post it was very clever. ^_^

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28 Jan 2006, 11:19 am

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If there was a war between NTs and AS people, I would gladly join with the NTs in a heartbeat.

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[Quoted from Steve Cory's site]
"we people with Aspergers will probably have to start fending for ourselves; we will have to pick up the iron rod and beat the NT man over the head until he dies. We have suffered enough at the hands of NTs, and now because they want to go and start a bunch of oil wars, we have to suffer even more than before, which is rediculous, and unacceptable."

What do self actually believe,as both views contradict each other?

It looks like the quite recent thread about his site [which was commented here,and another forum] is a factor behind this one,one quote at the bottom of the starting post on this thread makes the whole lot suspiciously agendered:

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....I blame all of you here at this forum and every other AS forum I tried visiting to show 'The Great Aspie Man' idea. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves...

Generalizing is a dangerous thing,everyone is an individual and should not be judged as having the same beliefs/views,when people replied to the idea/site threads,they gave what was asked of them-
opinions/constructive criticism,not abuse,people have been very civil.

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29 Jan 2006, 10:44 pm

Steve_Cory wrote:

None of you want actual help.

Oh don't be ridiculous, I hate having AS, and I don't want to be treated like a handicap. I would just like people to accept and understand me.

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Most of you are here just to gloat your 'abilities' because you can't do it anywhere else. I'm sick and tired of seeing this wonderful forum go to waste by a bunce of useless threads only meant for those who want to brag on themselves. They pretend like they are asking advice or help, but when reading between the lines, it become blatantly obvious most of you are completely out of your minds.

To be honest, I kind of agree with you. The attention and pride whores here annoy me. I usually only stay to add my opinion and offer help to others.

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I tried making a Superhero for all of us. A few stepped up to "help" (note the quotation marks), but NONE FOLLOWED THROUGH. I THOUGHT PART OF AS WAS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THINGS?

Calm down

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I've came to realize that I no longer believe in a difference between Aspergers or any other type of 'autism'. It is the enviroment you grew up in, mainly. My dad yelled at me all the time. Made me think I was worthless sometimes. I came to realize that Aspergers Syndrome is a scapegoat for kids who just grew up in the wrong elements of life.

I am the eggman

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The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it.

I agree.

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You have all proven to me that you are useless. YOU TOOK WHAT PRIDE I HAD IN BEING 'AS' AND DASHED IT TO MILLIONS OF WORTHLESS PIECES! If there was a war between NTs and AS people, I would gladly join with the NTs in a heartbeat.

I am the eggman

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I blame all of you here at this forum and every other AS forum I tried visiting to show 'The Great Aspie Man' idea. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves...
just because you have converted this forum to a narcissistic supply for yourselves doesn't mean you have to ignore those who actually try to HELP out other AS PEOPLE without STRUTTING THEIR ABILITIES AND TRYING TO SHOW OFF!

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Thanks guys. For nothing.

You're welcome

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29 Jan 2006, 11:15 pm

I think this thread should be locked, or at least moved to a more secure forum.

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29 Jan 2006, 11:52 pm

I think it deserves to be laughed at.

*replaces neanthumain's toilet paper with this thread*

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30 Jan 2006, 12:09 am

I'm kind of a pride whore hale, do i annoy you?

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30 Jan 2006, 12:11 am

Hale_Bopp, how can you say you're against "pride whores" when you have an avatar that clearly states "Be Different"... Hmm?

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30 Jan 2006, 12:38 am

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Hale_Bopp, how can you say you're against "pride whores" when you have an avatar that clearly states "Be Different"... Hmm?

Because I tend to favour individuality, which is not related to having the condition or not.

If it said "Be different, you have AS" then I would be a hypocrite.

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30 Jan 2006, 12:46 am

Cade wrote:

I think this thread should be locked, or at least moved to a more secure forum.

I think it should be locked to.

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30 Jan 2006, 1:10 am

I've moved this Thread to the Moderator's Forum, because most of the people who were involved, were getting carried away.

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