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21 Sep 2009, 2:45 pm

Hello Shogun,

First… Welcome to Wrong Planet!

You’ve gotten quite a welcome so far. It’s ok. One of my first posts was a big failure. I posted something meant as a joke. It was taken literally, and allot of people jumped my case about it. So, I understand where you are coming from… kinda. I definitely don’t find myself sharing your current outlook though.

How many Aspies have you actually met? Is it possible that your post may be the result of rigid thinking and a conclusion you’ve reached without having sufficient evidence? I had a concept of what Aspies were like based on my own experiences. I added in the bits of information that I have found while researching the condition and thought I had a pretty good handle on “what an Aspie is like”.

I came to the realization that my concept of what being an Aspie is or what an Aspie is like was shattered when I went to me first Aspie support group. By the way, admittance to this group required a formal diagnosis.

When the wiring of someone’s brain goes differently than standard, that different wiring isn’t done the same way in all persons with different wiring. We’re all unique. That includes everyone (AS or NT). It seems those of us on the SPECTRUM (notice the emphasis on spectrum there?) are extra unique.

To give examples from a base you may find acceptable (an AS support group with only diagnosed individuals), Aspies aren’t all the same. Each person in the group has a different general level of functioning. Some people struggle with common stereotypical symptoms of AS that others in the group don’t or struggle with to a lesser degree. Some people are totally consumed by special interest and some aren’t so much or at all.

I’m not going to tell you what to think or do. I simply wanted to give you some information that you may not have had or considered yet. There are many amazing people on this forum. This would be a great place to let out some steam and find some answers about yourself. I would hate to see you drive yourself away from such a great resource based on rigid thinking that may not be accurate.

You can cover your ears, ignore what everyone is trying to tell you, and go in search of what you perceive as the desired location for the answers you are seeking. You can also hang out and get to know some of the members a bit better, the condition a bit better, and your own limitation a bit better right here.

“What I want is what I’ve not got, and what I need is all around me” <-- Dave Mathews

I can’t speak for everyone, but you making a rather abrasive entrance into this community hasn’t set a limitation on how I view you. My advise is to try to be a little open minded (even if it doesn’t come naturally) and see what this place has to offer.


And once again… Welcome to Wrong Planet!

J0sh



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21 Sep 2009, 2:55 pm

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most of you are missing the point. i am not interested in hearing or reading posts from people who are self-diagnosed, well a certain type of them anyhow. everyone who thinks this condition is 'cool' is self-diagnosed. i want to escape those people. some of you make good points that fakers will just lie anyway. so i guess it doesn't matter. what is happening with AS and also HFA i think, is the same as what happened with ADD and ADHD. it's a disorder with a few GENERAL symptoms that anyone (especially geeky and loner types) can relate to, and a very non-specific DSM. from what i've heard it is IMPOSSIBLE for people with autism or AS to not suffer from anxiety, yet someone in this very thread has claimed it to be true. anyone with any knowledge would know right away that it makes no sense. any level of autism creates anxiety. it is the reason for many of the physical symptoms. to be free of anxiety is to be free of autism. that is fact. and it is people like this who claim to be exceptions to the FACTS that i wish to escape.


My son is officially diagnosed, but I would suggest he doesn't have the sort of anxiety you are assuming he should, and while he wouldn't use the word "cool" to describe his diagnosis, he has an overall positive self-image and is happy in his own skin.

Yes, certain things make him anxious, but no more than would be considered within the range of normal for anyone. AS alone doesn't induce anxiety; it is everything that comes along with it. Mitigate much of that, and you mitigate the anxiety - unless the person specifically has anxiety issues as a co-morbid. Before diagnosis my son was much more anxious. After diagnosis - not so much. He has an answer, and we have a roadmap. Your arguments are discounting the potential benefit that comes from that.

Be clear, we never went looking for an AS diagnosis. It was brought to us, and we were very skeptical at first. But time has shown the diagnosis fits, and has provided many helpful answers. There are no skeptics in his real life; everyone agrees its dead on.

But as for who want to listen to on these forums ... that is your choice. You may ingore any post you want. If you want to talk only with people that you feel share a certain viewpoint and experience, then do so. No one is stopping you from selecting which posters you choose to read. But there is no practical way for the administrators of this forum to do that sorting for you.


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21 Sep 2009, 3:05 pm

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about the anxiety autism thing. if you know how to do a google search you will be able to find out that this is true for yourself. here is just one of many links that shows what i mean: http://ezinearticles.com/?Autism-Anxiet ... &id=369821
about the podiatrist thing. i just don't buy into gait alone being a way to diagnose a condition of the brain.
i am not really worried about being shunned by people here and i'm not afraid of anyone. my entire intentions are in my first post.
people say i sound like an NT but i think the way alot of you have reacted is alot more NT. getting defensive..sarcastic...very typical responses. this isn't about snobbery at all either. someone said something about me maybe feeling anxiety towards some people or their opinions, that was partly right. i am worried about disingenuous people interacting with me. i just want to be sure of who i am talking to. oh and about my diagnosis. i have been diagnosed. originally as HFA but then upgraded to aspergers. i know alot about the disorder including its history, i have read 1000s of pages of information...in an effort to try and understand myself better. i grew up around many other autistic children because of the program i was in. i still know quite a few who are adults. my autistic friends range from LFA to AS. i do not need to watch any videos. i don't really want to start my own forum, just find one where i can be sure of who i am communicating with, i thought here could be a good place because it is so well populated. but i suppose now.


On the internet you will never, ever be sure of who you are communicating with. I don't want to increase your anxiety by saying that, but you either need to overcome that hurdle or give up on internet forums. Certainly, the mod's do their best to sniff out those who are dangerous to the community, but its always going to be imperfect.

Are you saying AS can't be defensive or sarcastic? I disagree. You have a very narrow view of what AS should be like; the reality is broader than that. It is a spectrum, and not everyone on the spectrum will have every trait, but will have enough of them to create a preponderance and get a diagnosis. There is much that can be learned by intermingling with those who are carry different aspects; you shouldn't shut your mind to it.


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21 Sep 2009, 3:32 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Are you saying AS can't be defensive or sarcastic? I disagree. You have a very narrow view of what AS should be like; the reality is broader than that. It is a spectrum, and not everyone on the spectrum will have every trait, but will have enough of them to create a preponderance and get a diagnosis. There is much that can be learned by intermingling with those who are carry different aspects; you shouldn't shut your mind to it.


WOW! You said what I was trying to say in so few words. I don't suppose you'de be willing to be an editor for my work emails would you? <-- Joking... It would save my coworkers allot of extra reading though. :D



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21 Sep 2009, 5:21 pm

kc8ufv wrote:
fiddlerpianist wrote:
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You wish to shun certain people based on false criteria you have cooked up and call facts. Perhaps some day, in your school or workplace, someone will decide to shun you based on their perceptions of you, and the shoe will be on the other foot.

No podiatrist in their right mind would diagnose him with AS. :lol:

Sounds like he already has been shunned (no to mention had) by several in this thread.


I would hope a podiatrist wouldn't diagnose someone with an ASD. They'd be focusing on the wrong end of the body. :D


How about an ear nose and throat doctor?

Seriously, yes it was a joke... people would have to read the thread which had the original stating of an AS-diagnosing podiatrist to get it... :) . I didnt expect to get the reaction I did though, I thought I would just be told to stop being silly, but it went further than that :? .


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