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17 Jan 2010, 11:12 pm

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The idea that to have Asperger's Syndrome you have to have "social problems" is a stereotype. AS directly causes sensory, motor, and thinking issues that mean our socialisation is more challenging or needs more effort, but not always impossible. It's easy to feel inadequate or that it's too hard. That's when the "social problems" side sets in.
Wait a minute--that's not a stereotype. That's part of the definition of Asperger's. You may be thinking of "social anxiety", which is not part of the definition; but Asperger's always, always includes social problems.

You can have social anxiety without having Asperger's. Actually, most people who have social anxiety are quite neurotypical. And there are many people with Asperger's who do not have social anxiety. The only relationship between the two is that Asperger's is a risk factor for developing secondary social anxiety disorder, social phobia, or avoidant personality disorder.

Asperger's requires social impairment, not social anxiety. To be specific:
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A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

1. marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity


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18 Jan 2010, 3:23 am

What is SPD and HFA? Not greatly up on Abbreviations in this field (Links effect?)



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18 Jan 2010, 3:26 am

SPD has been covered in this discussion already. HFA is higher-functioning autism.


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18 Jan 2010, 3:31 am

Thanks! :oops: (should have realized about HFA! Bad nights sleep - unthinking zombie here, hope to wake up properly later but won't bank on it).



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18 Jan 2010, 4:07 pm

@ Mikey, you sound like you have ADHD with social anxiety thrown in. But I'm not a psychologist or neurologist, I can't exactly diagnose you. Go see your doctor.

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If social problems was a requirement, I shouldn't be able to say "hi" to my neighbour, or the checkout operator when I buy groceries. I can, and I do have AS. Besides, I know a teenager who is more AS than me and she has friends and can socially interact. You can't measure AS by social difficulties.


I think what you're trying to say - correct me if I'm wrong - is that the social issues may not be obvious.

If so, I agree. I had a friend who was diagnosed as autistic, and on the surface she was easy to like and be friends with, her other friend even said she was a 'legend', but she nonetheless had social issues, she was very rigid in her thinking and either she was dead loyal to you or she would kick you out of her life for disagreeing over some tiny detail.

Is that what you were trying to describe?

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I believe mechanicalgirl meant having social skills explained to you. For instance, if someone had to explain to you how to recognize sarcasm, or explicitly taught you how to carry on a two-way conversation rather than monologuing all the time about your special interest, and how to recognize signs of boredom/disinterest in others, etc. Some people are self-taught, but the learning is always explicit and effortful, rather than implicit and natural as for NTs, and it is delayed. And in general, quite imperfect.



Yes thank you - that's what I was trying to say. :)


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18 Jan 2010, 8:31 pm

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This is SPOOKY similar to myself when I was your age. My activities involved rythmic rolling on my bed while listening to music, and having imaginary adventures in my head. This is stimming, and so is your activity.

The idea that to have Asperger's Syndrome you have to have "social problems" is a stereotype. AS directly causes sensory, motor, and thinking issues that mean our socialisation is more challenging or needs more effort, but not always impossible. It's easy to feel inadequate or that it's too hard. That's when the "social problems" side sets in.

If social problems was a requirement, I shouldn't be able to say "hi" to my neighbour, or the checkout operator when I buy groceries. I can, and I do have AS. Besides, I know a teenager who is more AS than me and she has friends and can socially interact. You can't measure AS by social difficulties.

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Hmmm...alright alright....

Well, let me make some things clear.

I did say have a bit of social anxiety but I know it isn't anything severe. Like I said...I can usually manage to get through every day...

Big events though...like performances or anything important and requires social interaction can be killing. I can barely order a hamburger without breaking a sweat and getting anxious...but isn't that just anxiety? I'm stoic in that I can get the job done if it needs to be.

I think the reason I may have been misleading is because I'm trying hard to get it across to people how big of a deal the motor stuff is. I'm sorry...but feeling the need to go in privacy every day so that you can hit the ground with sticks can have a pretty heavy emotional effect on someone.....


You definately have a Social Anxiety Disorder. How do you feel about people, especially strangers and adults, knowing or finding out about your stim? Do you get anxious if you can't stim when you want to?


Goodness it's great to here from someone else like me. I think your the first person I have heard of that really has something similar to what I have because you actually gave an example, (rolling around in your bed.) I would (do) have adventures in my head.



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19 Jan 2010, 2:51 am

We must not forget as Ahaseurus2000 has pointed out that Autism is a spectrum disease and not clear cut. Also that the reason that it affects us socially is down to how badly or how well it catches us developmentally (inside reflected on the outside to varying degrees - iceberg effect).



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19 Jan 2010, 2:58 pm

paigetheoracle wrote:
We must not forget as Ahaseurus2000 has pointed out that Autism is a spectrum disease and not clear cut. Also that the reason that it affects us socially is down to how badly or how well it catches us developmentally (inside reflected on the outside to varying degrees - iceberg effect).


I often wonder myself. I realize now that conversation for me is really like acting. I rarely feel like what I'm saying is authentic. I simply know that if someone said, "good morning," I know to say, "good morning," with a smile on my face and an attitude that suggests humbleness. I sometimes wonder if I've just picked up on how all small talk ought to go.

Sometimes I would rather just get to the point. "Your shirt looks particularly appealing today."... most people would find this approach disturbing.



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20 Jan 2010, 3:37 am

MikeyPikey92 wrote:
paigetheoracle wrote:
We must not forget as Ahaseurus2000 has pointed out that Autism is a spectrum disease and not clear cut. Also that the reason that it affects us socially is down to how badly or how well it catches us developmentally (inside reflected on the outside to varying degrees - iceberg effect).


I often wonder myself. I realize now that conversation for me is really like acting. I rarely feel like what I'm saying is authentic. I simply know that if someone said, "good morning," I know to say, "good morning," with a smile on my face and an attitude that suggests humbleness. I sometimes wonder if I've just picked up on how all small talk ought to go.

Sometimes I would rather just get to the point. "Your shirt looks particularly appealing today."... most people would find this approach disturbing.


So true - I hate small talk and as for disturbing people, my partner Margaret says I used to freak people out by just staring at them or getting right to the point (Lost my last job because I wasn't very good at censoring what I said (I find spiders disturbing because they run towards you, if you stamp your feet, when anything normal would run away - are we like this to other human beings?).