Need input on husband's "symptoms" - ADD or AS or
Rooish, I've been wondering what purpose online chess serves for your husband? There's a lot of possibilities...Maybe there's something else he could do that would fulfill the same needs but might be less likely to suck him in, or which he could do right next to you instead of far away?
Speaking of which, for most of the people I know with AS traits, including myself, sometimes when socializing feels overwhelming, it can feel pleasantly companionable to do our own thing next to someone we care about. Does your husband enjoy this, and would it be at all satisfying for you?
Eon, an interesting thought - thanks. My impression is that, even though he does feel uncomfortable with the social stuff, it's more that he just gets "stuck" and can't figure out how to fix the problem (with his work). I don't know if he gets stuck more than his co-workers, or just perceives it that way....
Mosaic, it's true, there are probably several reasons he plays so much. I'm going to just give him space to figure this one out, for now. I appreciate your perspective on doing things companionably together/apart. We actually DO do that sometimes (both work on our laptops, sitting on the couch!). I think we both like it, though after your comments, I'm appreciating it more, so thanks!
Speaking of which, for most of the people I know with AS traits, including myself, sometimes when socializing feels overwhelming, it can feel pleasantly companionable to do our own thing next to someone we care about. Does your husband enjoy this, and would it be at all satisfying for you?
poppyx
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The original list of symptoms sounds more like Borderline Personality Disorder to me than AS, but I'm no expert. I know that people with AS are sometimes harmfully misdiagnosed as having BPD, and now I can see why. My ex husband has BPD and two of my kids, his kids, have AS and the third is also not neurotypical but nobody knows what the right label is.
My eldest son hurts people's feelings unintentionally a lot. He has a kind heart and doesn't mean to and if we explain it to him he often tries to stop. Sometimes he just gets sick of working at it and doesn't try. He's 13 and that's not unusual for any kid that age regardless of neuro-status. I wonder if your husband is going to need to work on things in small bites as all those issues are just too overwhelming all together. We've also found ways to accomodate my son's needs and respect his need to quietly build things to calm down. It sounds like chess fills that role for your husband. He may need to keep doing that but might be able to limit it, and make some time for what you need as well.
In a relationship both partners needs are equally important. Just because he has a medical excuse it doesn't mean that your needs shouldn't be met as well. There are things I'd like from my husband and things I need. I'd like him to want to go to the Opera or other cultural events from time to time with me. He's never going to enjoy that and forcing him to go with me is not going to be fun as he will be miserable and that's no fun for either of us. I need him to tell me when he is leaving unexpectedly so I don't worry. When he would get upset and overstimulated he used to just take off and not tell me. It was scary for me. We talked about it while we were both in a good mood and tried to explain our feelings. Sometimes he needs to get away from the chaos of me and the kids and might not even have a plan of where he's going (it'll be the hardware store!). I told him that's OK, but I need to know. Even if he just says "I'm going out, I need a break" that's enough. If I ask where he's going it may be that I need an item from some store and am hoping he can get it, not that I'm trying to keep him on a short leash. Now he'll even ask me "Do you need anything?" if he gets like that in hopes I'll have some errand he can do. It's not exactly how I want him to behave and visa versa but it's a happy medium that respects both of our needs.
Thanks for your input, Kiley!
I did some research on BPD, and it really doesn't sound like my husband. AS seems like a much better fit, actually, though he only has some of the traits....
*he seems addicted to online chess - he can play for hours on end, often into the wee hours, even when I beg him to come to bed with me
*he's always been a night owl, usually staying up till 2 or 3 a.m.
*he seems to get semi-obsessed about topics or hobbies...he'll be fixated on something for a month or two and then move on to something else. He says it's because he doesn't like his job and needs something to engage his mind
*he has a very hard time maintaining eye contact during intimate moments and during conversations about our relationship
*he doesn't seem to be comfortable holding my hand or hugging me for long (unless he's in the mood for sex!)
*he's uncomfortable in social situations, even though he'd like more friends - if I didn't invite people over, we would never have company
*my friends and family all like him and he's pleasant and fun around other people...seems to know what to say to carry on a conversation...but with me, conversations often end with me feeling offended or hurt
*he seems to have problems with spatial stuff...like knowing how to turn a couch to get it through the door...stuff that I can automatically "see", he can't.
*he's very intelligent about world affairs, politics, and good at writing articles, grammar, etc.
*he struggles with his programming job and usually feels that he's not doing as well as others
*he sometimes says he has trouble concentrating at work
*he cries easily during movies, but never when it's something in real life that I'm hurting about
*he has a tendency to be negative and skeptical
*he seems to give up easily on things that require spatial or motor skills..."I can't do it"...stuff that I find simple. But other things he can be very persistent, though it usually has to be something HE'S interested in, not something I've asked for help with.
*his interests are eccentric - things that are unusual, but kind of cool--I think he likes to be "different"
*he is a germophobe, and has some other phobias, too - blood, needles, etc.
*he sometimes (rarely) has panic attacks
*he's a very cautious person and tends to catastrophize
*he's addicted to sweets, but is trying to cut back
*he has OCD tendencies
*he sometimes repeats himself, a little more so than others, but not a big deal
So, if any of this rings a bell, I'd love to hear your input. I feel like my buttons are getting pushed and I end up angry and upset far too often. This is not how I normally am, and it's really worrying me. I'm someone who tends to get along well with people. A lot of the issues I mentioned aren't really a problem for me, but the lack of empathy and support hurts, I'd also like a husband who's willing to lie in bed with me at least sometimes (when I'm actually awake!). If I can figure out what's really going on here, it might help. Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post!
90 % myself , viewed from my wife's perspective.
A lot of problems ,on and off, to be honest.
She says I changed once we were married.
My interest constantly change and "they move from one obsession to the next" , as I'm told.
'It involves everything but people and no one is included", as this was added in too.
From my end of things, everything is fine, other than the complaining.
We had a heart to heart talk recently, and it boiled down to a suggestion that I need therapy or medicine or both.
I was also quite stunned at how my wife is " so lonely" and she said' I dont know you ,all I see is the back of your head ."
At this point I dont know if it is AS, broad autistic phenotype, or just plain introversion.
She read some of Attwoods book , the chapter on marriage, and commented that " not all of it applies".
My step daughter thinks I have autism ,though, but for one I feel I'm too functional ,as most with AS cant work and the ones that do, usually are disabled enough to not be gainfully employed.
I could eliminate the guess work, and get tested and spend 3000 , but we dont have that to spend in today's economy;both our hours are cut down now.
I really dont know what the panacea is here for me or you.
poppyx
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The other thing I'm really liking, rooish, is the "Asperger Couple Workbook" by Aston and Attwood.
She has worksheets on how to avoid Cassandra Affective Disorder, which is the other issue you will face.
(Basically, if you're in a relationship with an undiagnosed aspie, you also may have substantial problems, if only just because you as an NT have neurotypical expectations that an aspie can't meet.)
Knowing is a big, big help.
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