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08 Jun 2010, 9:36 pm

All americans I have ever met seem to have a sense of entitlement. It's not a AS or NT thing. I think it's cultural.



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08 Jun 2010, 9:42 pm

Francis wrote:
All americans I have ever met seem to have a sense of entitlement. It's not a AS or NT thing. I think it's cultural.


Unfortunately this is a true statement. :(



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11 Jun 2010, 8:24 am

Kid got suspended. :evil:


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11 Jun 2010, 8:48 am

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Kid got suspended. :evil:

Who? Your sister?



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11 Jun 2010, 8:52 am

Yes. For being uncooperative, disruptive, rude. I am ropeable. RAUUGHH!


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11 Jun 2010, 1:03 pm

Gosh, wow. I felt she was in for a wakeup call, but that's a bit sudden! Poor thing.

Maybe it'll be for the best in the future though- at least she knows the limits now. :(



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11 Jun 2010, 1:15 pm

I feel entitled to be the way that I am. :)


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11 Jun 2010, 8:00 pm

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Yes. For being uncooperative, disruptive, rude. I am ropeable. RAUUGHH!


Sorry..."ropeable"? Not sure what you mean by that.



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11 Jun 2010, 8:19 pm

Francis wrote:
All americans I have ever met seem to have a sense of entitlement. It's not a AS or NT thing. I think it's cultural.


It's true. There's a huge sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone wants a shameless amount of money and benefits for doing the smallest jobs. It's like, you don't deserve $20,000 for filling out a form for someone else, yet people get much more than that.



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11 Jun 2010, 8:40 pm

I would like some kind of help getting a decent paying job or at least some training for interviews. I am going thru job training so I can get better paying more stable job. I have never gotten any job I have interviewed for mostly I think because of my AS. I get nervous, will not make eye contact, and forget the simplist of information. All the jobs I ever had were thru friends and by accident, none of which were good paying jobs. Even with the new job training I think I will have a hard time with interviews but I think an Autistic Services organization could help me with. I am not asking for society to pay my way I am asking it to help better myself and compinsate for my short comings caused by AS. If this job does not work out or I am not able to get student grants I will be $3,000.00 in the hole and this has caused me much anxiety.



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11 Jun 2010, 9:22 pm

While I don't claim to be able to read her emotional compass, I was wondering whether you were being pressured to make any accommodations, which were inconsistent with a textbook description of the disorder. If so, her "special treatment" could be invalidated by analysis - according to the rules.

If not, she may not care for any extra attention, whatsoever. She could be unintentionally ignorant of the effect she has on others and never have a knack for knowing why.

For starters, I'm not sure what kind of social interaction would be needed, or wanted, in a group setting.

Alot of the sensations, used to make things stimulating for emotional people, terrify me, inside. I was not consciously afraid of physical injury, or of many dangerous things, and could not find a word for this feeling, for the longest time. Even some of the cartoonish things used by sensory testers (big eyes, flashing lights in colored plastic, electronic voices, weird music ) still bother me, when I think about them, and I'm a statutory adult, now.

(At some point, I had left mentally, by fixating on complicated, but repetitive, mechanical noises in the ventilation.)

It seems that I was outwardly entranced by the mystery of the situation, and inwardly couldn't find the idea to escape.

I was reminded of this when I had recently entered a rancho market, which was newly opened. It had loud, shrill, brass and percussion instruments, fluorescent colors, human figures, and plastic animals. While I was perceptive of the environment, even in minute detail, I had lost all perspective of my place within it. The person who was with me had to get my attention several times.

To me, the label infers a large disagree of mental passivity. So, I was wondering whether she shrinks away from stimulation, or if she goes out of her way to actively provoke stimulation from you.

If everyone else in the room was invisible, is she reinforcing a kind of regular flow or rhythm, or is she creating chaos within her own, insular universe?

What belongs in "my" world can be relative to my mental state.

Consciously, I don't expect people to violate customs or natural laws in catering to my whims, but I can't honestly claim to be fully conscious at all times, especially if I am overwhelmed.

So, it matters what she feels entitled to, and when she feels entitled to it. Does she imagine a set of conditions or rules, when something happens every time, or does it change at random?



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11 Jun 2010, 9:33 pm

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Yes. For being uncooperative, disruptive, rude. I am ropeable. RAUUGHH!

Have you talked to a counselor or seen a psychiatrist? I think that kind of behavior in an aspie can be due to emotions running out of control, especially anxiety.



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11 Jun 2010, 9:55 pm

Todesking wrote:
I have never gotten any job I have interviewed for mostly I think because of my AS.


Some possible alternatives:
1. Noone is qualified, because no tangible position is really available. The company is performing research.
2. Incomplete job posting. You were not given enough information to qualify yourself to the interviewer.
3. You were qualified objectively, but not subjectively. The results were decided capriciously.

I remember a recent beauty contest. I believed that all of the faces and figures were the same or similar, but this is said to be a matter of personal taste. The person who won, said that she had reconciled two, incompatible, religious faiths, making me suspect the reasoning was political. Let's assume that a job fair generates 25 similar applicants. How is the winner decided?

In one case, I was told that a mannerism of mine appealed to an owner.

In another case, I believe that I filled a quota, because the same proportions existed in every shift. When I left, someone very similar to me filled my place. Different chains in the immediate area had the same proportions.

Others in my shift generated a tax advantage for the employer. Where margins are thin, does the deduction exceed the rate of pay?

Does the company accept outside donations? if so, from who? (I can think of examples.)

Obviously, none of these things qualified us, intellectually, over anyone else.

Especially if my past managers' grasp of technicalities is any clue, many things in life are probably nepotistic, by friends or by accident.



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11 Jun 2010, 9:58 pm

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Yes. For being uncooperative, disruptive, rude. I am ropeable. RAUUGHH!


What and when?



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11 Jun 2010, 10:14 pm

"If youve seen one aspie, youve seen one aspie".

"if you've seen one organisation campaigning for X, you've seen one organisation campaigning for X".

sorry to disappoint you, this ISNT an AS thing, or an NT thing, its a people thing, people in religious organisations, Greenpeace, etc etc can behave the same way.

But as other posters have pointed out... well.. our genius oh so mighty analysts who are happy sticking us with "dysfunctional" label..

They've only come up with two main descriptors for a SPECTRUM.. that's like looking at the light put through a prism in a dark room and then informing everybody, that theres "dark" and "bright".

Give a good go at resolving your issues WITH your sister, and try to find out perhaps what HER unique traits ACTUALLY are, there's been "accommodations"..uhuh, monkeys can be happy in a zoo enclosure.. other species might not be. avoid the mistake of generalising via diagnosis. see if you can find out what HER traits are, and then explain YOUR traits to her, if you can meet eachother half way on them, you'll probably be happier.

sorry the answer to your OP's question, isn't found on the spectrum.


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12 Jun 2010, 6:07 am

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What's with that? Why do so many people with Asperger's feel entitled? Like the world owes them something, or that Neurotypical society should bend, twist and distort to accomodate them...

Not having a go, just geniunely curious as I'm dealing with this issue at home right now.


You mean like when people with aspergers recognise that society doesn't accomodate for the disabled properly? I don't understand why people have this weird idea that providing things that people need is somehow too much for society to do. I mean, while you're at it, why not criticise wheelchair bound people for wanting a ramp or a lift on a building or a vlind person for wanting braille on a cereal box?

No offense, but you sound like kind of person who is against universal healthcare. You know? The type that go " Why should my money potentially pay for fat people and smokers and drug addicts!? If they die, that's their problem!".

This is society's problem and therefore they need to deal with it! A good and moral society cares for it's people. It doesn't leave it to rot in an institution.

Sorry, but I'm very passionate about this.